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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  cool40 on July 7th 2011, 9:55 pm

whatbumper wrote:What does alky cost? What does M5 cost? How much fuel do you burn per pass and what is the cost per pass for fuel?

The only prices i know currently are on my buddies ride and he is running oilfield alky.
could'nt tell you about M5 but just your good ole 55gal drum from the local co op is 170$ish in my area.i burn about a gal a pass.the warm up and idle time with alky is where i use much more,over gas deal.
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  KY JELLY on July 8th 2011, 5:14 am

methanol $2 per gallon here little less than a gallon per pass just say $2 / pass

M-5 $6 per gallon little less than a gallon per pass just say $6 / pass

methanol + nitro for home brewed oxygenated methanol which will not be rivaled by any type of race gas Smile about $38 / 5 gallon jug @ 18% mixture 5 passes fer $7.60 a pass

Q 16 $12/ gallon I would guess 1/2 gallon per pass ? $6 / per pass

1 enderle 5" throttle body injector with pump $1450


1 enderle bird catcher with pump $1700


2 1250 race carbs with pump $2,400



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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  richter69 on July 8th 2011, 5:36 am

1 gallon of alky per run.......... 2 bucks

1 pound of Mr. Frosty 2 bucks, 1 pound per run.

M5 depending on price at the time 5-6 bucks, about 1 gallon per run.



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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  dfree383 on July 8th 2011, 5:36 am

DILLIGASDAVE wrote:Pepsi ond/or 'Dew > coke. Razz

Got to have something to mix the Alky with....... Razz Laughing
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  KY JELLY on July 8th 2011, 6:01 am

Any vp oxygenated gas is oxgenated with tert-butyl methyl ether which is manufactured via the chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene , so high end race gas is mixed with something also. There is nothing wrong with it we all want to make more power , but the more you look at things, it looks like the best gas is a mixture of good old methanol and gas Shocked

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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Doug Rahn on July 8th 2011, 6:43 am

dfree383 wrote:
DILLIGASDAVE wrote:Pepsi ond/or 'Dew > coke. Razz

Got to have something to mix the Alky with....... Razz Laughing

Grapefruit juice drunken . Laughing Laughing with salt around the rim of the glass!
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Lem Evans on July 8th 2011, 6:48 am

J.Y. , if you want'd to save money you'd still be running the borrowed 1050 Wink

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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  KY JELLY on July 8th 2011, 9:09 am

Lem Evans wrote:J.Y. , if you want'd to save money you'd still be running the borrowed 1050 Wink

That was a good carbytooter Charlie's 533 seemed to like it about a tenth better than the gas one , but not sure it would like the nitro lol!
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Post  69F100 on July 8th 2011, 2:15 pm

Lem Evans wrote:J.Y. , if you want'd to save money you'd still be running the borrowed 1050 Wink

Hay Lem that's me Laughing
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Lem Evans on July 8th 2011, 2:42 pm

"2 1250 race carbs with pump $2,400"
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Who said anything about two carbs? J.Y. , if I ever get into politics will you be my speech writer ? I love you
If need them I got a matched set of clean low lap 1250s........$2,425 for both.






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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  richter69 on July 8th 2011, 2:44 pm

carbs is too hard to tune............... Laughing
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Lem Evans on July 8th 2011, 3:02 pm

richter69 wrote:carbs is too hard to tune............... Laughing

I know......a guy would have to buy a screw driver. It's unlike a the barrel valves where one can work on them with their bare hands clown

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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  QtrWarrior on July 8th 2011, 4:35 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
richter69 wrote:carbs is too hard to tune............... Laughing

I know......a guy would have to buy a screw driver. It's unlike a the barrel valves where one can work on them with their bare hands clown

That's funny right there...I don't care who ya are !!! lol Very Happy
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Lem Evans on July 8th 2011, 4:46 pm

QtrWarrior wrote:
Lem Evans wrote:
richter69 wrote:carbs is too hard to tune............... Laughing

I know......a guy would have to buy a screw driver. It's unlike a the barrel valves where one can work on them with their bare hands clown

That's funny right there...I don't care who ya are !!! lol Very Happy

Doug can get a test drive on the 1250s if he wishes... Wink

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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  cool40 on July 8th 2011, 10:33 pm

injected alky is real easy to change the fuel on,add or take out with a pill change.if i had to run a carb i'd run gas too. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Wes Littrell on July 10th 2011, 5:55 am

I made some changes over the winter and was suprised.I have ran one toilet,two toilets, and a buzzard catcher all on alky with virtually no difference in et on my a460 headed engine.So I would say I have a pretty good baseline on alky.The best my truck ran on alky was 5.50 in good weather and average was 5.55.I switched to a borrowed 1050 gas dominator and went 5.45 this spring.Better 60' ,et, and mph.Seemed like it was going to be just as consistent.Now according to everybody a 1050 should be way to small for a 572, but it worked quite well for me.I now have an 1150 so we will see how that goes.My truck would burn a little over 1 gal a pass on alky, now I went 6 passes on around 2.5 gal.I was running just strait alky vs 110.I our area alky is around $2.15 a gal vs 110 is $5.65,so in my case gas is cheaper, if you throw in the oil changes.Now I have nothing against running either, but in my case gas was faster.I know my engine isn't a all out build, I shift it around 7000 to 7200, and I think it is a good representation of a typical bracket engine.We will see how gas does in the heat of the summer at the bash.The thing that I like about gas is how good it starts at any temp, and the fact that the oil looks the same coming out as it did going in.Just my two cents.
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  res0rli9 on July 10th 2011, 7:04 pm

Wes Littrell wrote:I made some changes over the winter and was suprised.I have ran one toilet,two toilets, and a buzzard catcher all on alky with virtually no difference in et on my a460 headed engine.So I would say I have a pretty good baseline on alky.The best my truck ran on alky was 5.50 in good weather and average was 5.55.I switched to a borrowed 1050 gas dominator and went 5.45 this spring.Better 60' ,et, and mph.Seemed like it was going to be just as consistent.Now according to everybody a 1050 should be way to small for a 572, but it worked quite well for me.I now have an 1150 so we will see how that goes.My truck would burn a little over 1 gal a pass on alky, now I went 6 passes on around 2.5 gal.I was running just strait alky vs 110.I our area alky is around $2.15 a gal vs 110 is $5.65,so in my case gas is cheaper, if you throw in the oil changes.Now I have nothing against running either, but in my case gas was faster.I know my engine isn't a all out build, I shift it around 7000 to 7200, and I think it is a good representation of a typical bracket engine.We will see how gas does in the heat of the summer at the bash.The thing that I like about gas is how good it starts at any temp, and the fact that the oil looks the same coming out as it did going in.Just my two cents.
Wes Littrell


Good info. Wes.
and whats the wt. on that hot rod??

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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Wes Littrell on July 11th 2011, 4:33 am

2450 +320 driver Wink .
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Moodyblues on July 20th 2011, 11:48 am

Dang................I still run gas. The C12 vp is 8.50 gal where I live. Ive seen seen a couple guys in the area running hats and cant seem to get them right on alky. One is on engine #3 in two years. Some others run alky carbs and seem to do ok.
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Lem Evans on July 20th 2011, 4:39 pm

By the barrel price at Phillip's....... O'boro, Ky.
$6.63 VP-110
$7.39 VP-113


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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  jsracing on September 11th 2011, 6:25 pm

old thread not digging up bones but whatever became of the challenge? did you swap to a carb KY?

my 2 cents is for a NA combo it could probably go either way depending on engine size and tune up, air density.... etc.

for forced induction ? methanol is definately the choice of the quicker blown cars but you see some very fast No2 cars with big in motors on gas..... and some very fast turbo cars on gas.

I think Hamstra, taylor, Mike janis etc are all on methanol


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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Curt on September 11th 2011, 6:43 pm

How about a diesel engine with alky fuel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMdLvvHBnI
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  schmitty on September 11th 2011, 6:53 pm

I've sat in that stadium and watched 4 straight days of tractor/truck pulling. It was a blast. Very Happy
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  Curt on September 11th 2011, 6:59 pm

I like alky in a drag car, but I LOVE alky in a single engine tractor.
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Re: Gas vs Alky........

Post  richter69 on May 22nd 2012, 6:48 pm

Gonna give the gas a shot again and see what happens, it'll get an n/a pass or two then the hose gets turned loose.......... Twisted Evil
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