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Post  2fox on January 5th 2012, 8:10 pm

Okay with both motors.having alum heads. How many more pounds os rhe.460 ?

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Post  Larry Williams on January 5th 2012, 9:15 pm

there was a sticky on engine weights I think. Charlie is well versed in the weights as well
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Post  2fox on January 5th 2012, 10:59 pm

Larry Williams wrote:there was a sticky on engine weights I think. Charlie is well versed in the weights as well
thanks will look

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Post  jbozzelle on January 6th 2012, 11:07 am

First sticky in this forum...

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Post  Larry Williams on January 6th 2012, 11:57 am

now whats the weight of the 351W ?
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Post  nuclearcobra on January 6th 2012, 6:19 pm

got a chart on my wall on ford v8 weight it says 510 for a 351w and 640 for 429-460 thats with iron heads tho, the rest were 289-302 =460,boss 302 =500,351c =550,ford y block =625,ford FE (332-428) =650,ford FE 1959 (352)=670
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Post  2fox on March 10th 2012, 1:10 am

How much more.rwhp would.I need for the. Added weight of the 557? Is it worth it? I got a great little 408w right now.
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Post  dfree383 on March 10th 2012, 1:36 am

2fox wrote:How much more.rwhp would.I need for the. Added weight of the 557? Is it worth it? I got a great little 408w right now.
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Lets see...... a typical decent built bracket engine ... Nothing fancy but good stuff 1.6 hp per CID

408 = 652.8 hp

557 = 891.2 hp

Is that answer enough? Do you think an extra 239 hp will make up for the extra 100#?

using a wallace formula

652hp @ 3000# = 9.69 @ 138

891hp @ 3100# = 8.83 @ 152

Hummmmm........




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Post  2fox on March 10th 2012, 2:03 am

No the extra.weight would be from the big block Ford. My other car will be 500 pounds light too

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Post  dfree383 on March 10th 2012, 2:18 am

The formula demonstrated the difference in weight from going with a typical 351W based fox to a 460 based fox. assumin a 100# weight difference between the two.
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Post  2fox on March 10th 2012, 2:27 am

If.I can run 10.00 with my 408 with no Nos.in the lighter car. With a 250shot I might?do the 8.99 then that's al I need 18.99pass.then will get kicked.off the track.LOL.OS that possible.with my 408w
cause I really don't have 10k to burn. Right now.trying to pay home.off on 3 more..hers that's 13 years on 30 yr mortgage

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Post  dfree383 on March 10th 2012, 2:30 am

2fox wrote:If.I can run 10.00 with my 408 with no Nos.in the lighter car. With a 250shot I might?do the 8.99 then that's al I need 18.99pass.then will get kicked.off the track.LOL.OS that possible.with my 408w
cause I really don't have 10k to burn. Right now.trying to pay home.off on 3 more..hers that's 13 years on 30 yr mortgage

That wasn't your question.......

Fact is the Typical Bracket 351 will only do it with NO2 and the BBF will do it N/A, even with the added weight.........
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Post  2fox on March 10th 2012, 3:15 am

dfree383 wrote:
2fox wrote:If.I can run 10.00 with my 408 with no Nos.in the lighter car. With a 250shot I might?do the 8.99 then that's al I need 18.99pass.then will get kicked.off the track.LOL.OS that possible.with my 408w
cause I really don't have 10k to burn. Right now.trying to pay home.off on 3 more..hers that's 13 years on 30 yr mortgage

That wasn't your question.......

Fact is the Typical Bracket 351 will only do it with NO2 and the BBF will do it N/A, even with the added weight.........
at what Costs?

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Post  2fox on March 10th 2012, 3:17 am

Maybe I need a 351W fourm instead? Gettting lots a static here.sorry for the incovence
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Post  dfree383 on March 10th 2012, 4:49 am

2fox wrote:
dfree383 wrote:
2fox wrote:If.I can run 10.00 with my 408 with no Nos.in the lighter car. With a 250shot I might?do the 8.99 then that's al I need 18.99pass.then will get kicked.off the track.LOL.OS that possible.with my 408w
cause I really don't have 10k to burn. Right now.trying to pay home.off on 3 more..hers that's 13 years on 30 yr mortgage

That wasn't your question.......

Fact is the Typical Bracket 351 will only do it with NO2 and the BBF will do it N/A, even with the added weight.........
at what Costs?

What can you build a real 650hp NA 408 for that can handle a shot big enough to get you to 8.99 @ 3000#?
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Post  cletus66 on March 10th 2012, 2:19 pm

2fox wrote:Maybe I need a 351W fourm instead? Gettting lots a static here.sorry for the incovence
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Why would you call advice based on experience "static"?

These "not that nice" BBF people have been putting up with my dumb questions for years.

For some more anecdotal evidence, 2 of my Fox Mustangs have similarly built motors. One is a rebuilt 302, mostly stock except for a cam, intake, and mildly ported stock heads. It went 97 mph in the quarter. The other is a rebuilt 460, mostly stock except for a cam, intake, and mildly ported stock heads. It went 115 in the quarter. The money for building both motors was within a couple hundred bucks of each other. The difference is 18 mph, and 8 mpg. Razz


I am not a SBF hater. I just ordered a 408 W rotating assembly to put in my 67 Fastback. I want to drive the car with AOD and AC and be able to hear the radio. I don't want to twist the car in half. If I wanted to do that, I would order a 545 rotating assembly. Twisted Evil

These guys are NOT giving you "static". It is possible that you just aren't getting the answers that you want. Cool
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Post  Barney on March 10th 2012, 6:05 pm

I throw rocks at small blocks....
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Post  Barney on March 10th 2012, 6:05 pm

I throw rocks at small blocks....
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Post  dfree383 on March 11th 2012, 12:13 am

Whats? I didn't get that?
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Post  2fox on March 11th 2012, 12:19 am

Yes a.250 shot.if that don't do it then ill get.a.dart.big bore block use my crank rods get new pistons then go digger 600shot plus my 250 plate.system that should get me there.

I don't think a 557 10.9 motor with p51na is going to.do it?


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Post  rmcomprandy on March 11th 2012, 12:26 am

cletus66 wrote:
2fox wrote:Maybe I need a 351W fourm instead? Gettting lots a static here.sorry for the incovence
BBF people.or not that nice I see BTW



Why would you call advice based on experience "static"?

These "not that nice" BBF people have been putting up with my dumb questions for years.

For some more anecdotal evidence, 2 of my Fox Mustangs have similarly built motors. One is a rebuilt 302, mostly stock except for a cam, intake, and mildly ported stock heads. It went 97 mph in the quarter. The other is a rebuilt 460, mostly stock except for a cam, intake, and mildly ported stock heads. It went 115 in the quarter. The money for building both motors was within a couple hundred bucks of each other. The difference is 18 mph, and 8 mpg. Razz


I am not a SBF hater. I just ordered a 408 W rotating assembly to put in my 67 Fastback. I want to drive the car with AOD and AC and be able to hear the radio. I don't want to twist the car in half. If I wanted to do that, I would order a 545 rotating assembly. Twisted Evil

These guys are NOT giving you "static". It is possible that you just aren't getting the answers that you want. Cool

You mean that there are some people who will actually ask questions when they already have in their mind some preconceived answers...?
AND, when they don't get those answers, the questions get changed and things in the questions get added and subtracted which weren't a part of the original question...?
Hmmmm, scratch

DON'T feed the trolls...!


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Post  dfree383 on March 11th 2012, 12:36 am

2fox wrote:Yes a.250 shot.if that don't do it then ill get.a.dart.big bore block use my crank rods get new pistons then go digger 600shot plus my 250 plate.system that should get me there.

I don't think a 557 10.9 motor with p51na is going to.do it?


Your trying to compair apples to oranges......... Face it you want a small block because you have a bunch of parts..... so build one !!! If your starting from scratch a Big Block is the simplest solution to big numbers from a NA application.
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Post  2fox on March 11th 2012, 12:46 am

^^^ I don't like ur profile.pic. you look like a friend of Hilters

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Post  dfree383 on March 11th 2012, 1:01 am

2fox wrote:^^^ I don't like ur profile.pic. you look like a friend of Hilters

Maybe you need to go find a small block site......

and somebody else to help you.
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Post  Barney on March 11th 2012, 1:02 am

2fox wrote:^^^ I don't like ur profile.pic. you look like a friend of Hilters
I've had NASTY small blocks, and once you do a big block it's not even a comparison. YOU WILL SPEND MORE $$$$ TRYING TO GO AS FAST WITH A SMALL BLOCK FACT.
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