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headders are glowing red

Post  2fox on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:03 pm

BBC 8-71 blower 489.cu in.
To much or little.timing or
to much fuel or to little.?


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Re: headders are glowing red

Post  powerstrokeace on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:22 pm

too little timing and could be lean. Need more info on the build

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Post  2fox on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:46 pm

powerstrokeace wrote:too little timing and could be lean. Need more info on the build

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489
8.2.1
Dart pro 1345cc heads
solid.roller.cam. 255/266 ish ? @ .050 .652 lifft 114
2in headders wirh dyna max 3.5 exhast
oit the.box.demon.blower.carbs 2x750's
msd dist. 6al. Msd coil

i am running.93 pump.gas 12%.UD no idea of boost yet still on jaack stands

note... I had.it fired up first time.turned.my back and it.was.on fire.had to put.it out.cheap oil line.burnt.close.to headder.it.did burn the.drivers.side.plug wires.but.cleaned.up good.blocked off oil line it.started.stumblong tonite.
Plus.i havent set.timing.with.light.nor.adjusted.float level or adjusted mixture.screws.yet.need.to get it on the ground bad.knees.
I once.was.cighting thos.problem with.a.461 bbc with.a.tunnel.ram.i.was.told.rhsy all glow.red.whan recing it up and.holding it.?

i got.a.video but.cant.do from cell.need.to e.mail.it.to someone...it.was.running after.the.fire before i noticex the.glowing

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Post  2fox on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:38 pm

I love you So i might.be.jumping the.gun.right now .but wanted.ideas

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Post  69F100 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:08 pm

sound lean and timing off to me to

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Post  c.evans on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:34 am

Sounds way lean to mean. Don't every start a new engine up, unless you are immediately ready to set the timing and adjust the carb. If possible, always use a "known" good carb, and a "known" good distributor on a new engine start-up, so there is less potential for problems.

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red hot headers....

Post  68stang460 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:07 pm

Lean and timing probable, but may also have a cam with to much overlap and pushing compression and boost out the exhaust. Too much cam with boost can be an issue. Just a thought...good luck!

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Post  2fox on Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:18 pm

Well i just pulled.the.plugs look.rich.?
Took carbs off.to tighten all bolts.and.fix.leaks.these demon carbs are blower carbs there are boost rwf. Carbs but i dont have the lines hooked.up to them yet no sure how too?
Im.sire.i habent made any boost while.headders where read but tomorrow i will have carbs back on and timing set
should i go.over to the.blower section and post there for help ?
Like.whay should my timing be at idle and at full advance?
Should be only 8.psi max with 93.pump.gas

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Headers are red...

Post  68stang460 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:24 pm

Its early and still getting my coffee in but...when I say too much cam with boost i mean...a cam that has to much "over lap" ( when the intake and exhaust are open simotaniously (?) ). I believe you said your cam was @ 114deg of overlap. 110 degree is pretty much, as much as you'd want with "boost" (I dont mean under a load- i mean any sort of charger, turbo, S/C., nitrous,etc...) A non superchaged engine relies on atmosphere pressure (approx. 14.7lbs) to ram air into cylinder, along with vacume of the piston, and the air flow in the chamber. When you "boost" an engine it does not need as much help in the overlap and duration department to make this happen. Actually too much and you will pump some of this unknowingly out the exhaust. Stock cam settings in duration and overlap would really work better along with a bit extra lift perhaps. We had a supercharged "roots style" porsche engine in our shop that had a racing cam in it and it was down (320hp/300tq) 60HP over the stock cam. We removed the racing cam, stuck in a factory cam and now without tuning 400HP-376lb TQ. The power was getting wasted and lost by being basically pumped out the ex.. This may not be your issue, but something to consider in the issue you are having. Good luck. I used to deal with MIKE KUHL Superchargers in Santa Ana, CA. 20+ years ago. If he is still in Business he cam give you some standard guide lines in the cam, timing and advance to optimize your engine. Or perhaps on of the other big names in blowers would be worth a call. GOOD LUCK brother!

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Re: headders are glowing red

Post  LivermoreDave on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:17 pm

If have remembered my lessons correctly, a lower than desired (engine) ignition timing may richen the air/fuel mixture within the combustion chamber. With that wrote, if ignition timing is in fact "slow", the air/fuel mixture may be leaner than first thought. As Charlie and others have mentioned, a proven carburetor (fuel delivery system) and ignition system is a MUST when firing a new, previously unfired engine. My suggestion, get the timing right then look at the fuel requirements. Typically a glowing exhaust during a low or no-load condition may indicate a lean air/fuel mixture. Just one thing for thought, vacuum leaks will contribute to such conditions.

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Re: headders are glowing red

Post  2fox on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:24 pm

Okay i got.camspecs comp cam pn #11-694-8
Grind.# CB300BR-14
.652 lift on both int.exh
dur.@.050. I 255 / E 262 LS114.0
Lash .020

Found carb box
mighty demon 750 pn5531
Or
5402010BC cat #
Jets 75/83 PV 6.5 / PLG SQ31


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