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headders are glowing red
BBC 8-71 blower 489.cu in.
To much or little.timing or
to much fuel or to little.?
To much or little.timing or
to much fuel or to little.?
2fox- Posts: 130
Join date: 2012-01-04
Age: 46
Location: Baton Rouge LA.
Re: headders are glowing red
too little timing and could be lean. Need more info on the build
Ace
Ace

powerstrokeace- Posts: 646
Join date: 2009-09-07
Location: colorado
Re: headders are glowing red
thanks.ACEpowerstrokeace wrote:too little timing and could be lean. Need more info on the build
Ace
489
8.2.1
Dart pro 1345cc heads
solid.roller.cam. 255/266 ish ? @ .050 .652 lifft 114
2in headders wirh dyna max 3.5 exhast
oit the.box.demon.blower.carbs 2x750's
msd dist. 6al. Msd coil
i am running.93 pump.gas 12%.UD no idea of boost yet still on jaack stands
note... I had.it fired up first time.turned.my back and it.was.on fire.had to put.it out.cheap oil line.burnt.close.to headder.it.did burn the.drivers.side.plug wires.but.cleaned.up good.blocked off oil line it.started.stumblong tonite.
Plus.i havent set.timing.with.light.nor.adjusted.float level or adjusted mixture.screws.yet.need.to get it on the ground bad.knees.
I once.was.cighting thos.problem with.a.461 bbc with.a.tunnel.ram.i.was.told.rhsy all glow.red.whan recing it up and.holding it.?
i got.a.video but.cant.do from cell.need.to e.mail.it.to someone...it.was.running after.the.fire before i noticex the.glowing
2fox- Posts: 130
Join date: 2012-01-04
Age: 46
Location: Baton Rouge LA.
Re: headders are glowing red
So i might.be.jumping the.gun.right now .but wanted.ideas
2fox- Posts: 130
Join date: 2012-01-04
Age: 46
Location: Baton Rouge LA.
Re: headders are glowing red
sound lean and timing off to me to

69F100- BBF CONTRIBUTOR

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Join date: 2009-01-03
Age: 45
Location: Irwinville Ga.
Re: headders are glowing red
Sounds way lean to mean. Don't every start a new engine up, unless you are immediately ready to set the timing and adjust the carb. If possible, always use a "known" good carb, and a "known" good distributor on a new engine start-up, so there is less potential for problems.
Charlie
Charlie
c.evans- Posts: 1507
Join date: 2008-12-03
red hot headers....
Lean and timing probable, but may also have a cam with to much overlap and pushing compression and boost out the exhaust. Too much cam with boost can be an issue. Just a thought...good luck!
68stang460- Posts: 2
Join date: 2012-01-14
Re: headders are glowing red
Well i just pulled.the.plugs look.rich.?
Took carbs off.to tighten all bolts.and.fix.leaks.these demon carbs are blower carbs there are boost rwf. Carbs but i dont have the lines hooked.up to them yet no sure how too?
Im.sire.i habent made any boost while.headders where read but tomorrow i will have carbs back on and timing set
should i go.over to the.blower section and post there for help ?
Like.whay should my timing be at idle and at full advance?
Should be only 8.psi max with 93.pump.gas
Took carbs off.to tighten all bolts.and.fix.leaks.these demon carbs are blower carbs there are boost rwf. Carbs but i dont have the lines hooked.up to them yet no sure how too?
Im.sire.i habent made any boost while.headders where read but tomorrow i will have carbs back on and timing set
should i go.over to the.blower section and post there for help ?
Like.whay should my timing be at idle and at full advance?
Should be only 8.psi max with 93.pump.gas
2fox- Posts: 130
Join date: 2012-01-04
Age: 46
Location: Baton Rouge LA.
Headers are red...
Its early and still getting my coffee in but...when I say too much cam with boost i mean...a cam that has to much "over lap" ( when the intake and exhaust are open simotaniously (?) ). I believe you said your cam was @ 114deg of overlap. 110 degree is pretty much, as much as you'd want with "boost" (I dont mean under a load- i mean any sort of charger, turbo, S/C., nitrous,etc...) A non superchaged engine relies on atmosphere pressure (approx. 14.7lbs) to ram air into cylinder, along with vacume of the piston, and the air flow in the chamber. When you "boost" an engine it does not need as much help in the overlap and duration department to make this happen. Actually too much and you will pump some of this unknowingly out the exhaust. Stock cam settings in duration and overlap would really work better along with a bit extra lift perhaps. We had a supercharged "roots style" porsche engine in our shop that had a racing cam in it and it was down (320hp/300tq) 60HP over the stock cam. We removed the racing cam, stuck in a factory cam and now without tuning 400HP-376lb TQ. The power was getting wasted and lost by being basically pumped out the ex.. This may not be your issue, but something to consider in the issue you are having. Good luck. I used to deal with MIKE KUHL Superchargers in Santa Ana, CA. 20+ years ago. If he is still in Business he cam give you some standard guide lines in the cam, timing and advance to optimize your engine. Or perhaps on of the other big names in blowers would be worth a call. GOOD LUCK brother!
68stang460- Posts: 2
Join date: 2012-01-14
Re: headders are glowing red
If have remembered my lessons correctly, a lower than desired (engine) ignition timing may richen the air/fuel mixture within the combustion chamber. With that wrote, if ignition timing is in fact "slow", the air/fuel mixture may be leaner than first thought. As Charlie and others have mentioned, a proven carburetor (fuel delivery system) and ignition system is a MUST when firing a new, previously unfired engine. My suggestion, get the timing right then look at the fuel requirements. Typically a glowing exhaust during a low or no-load condition may indicate a lean air/fuel mixture. Just one thing for thought, vacuum leaks will contribute to such conditions.
Just my jabbering,
Dave.
Just my jabbering,
Dave.
LivermoreDave- Posts: 493
Join date: 2009-09-27
Location: Livermore, KY.
Re: headders are glowing red
Okay i got.camspecs comp cam pn #11-694-8
Grind.# CB300BR-14
.652 lift on both int.exh
dur.@.050. I 255 / E 262 LS114.0
Lash .020
Found carb box
mighty demon 750 pn5531
Or
5402010BC cat #
Jets 75/83 PV 6.5 / PLG SQ31
Grind.# CB300BR-14
.652 lift on both int.exh
dur.@.050. I 255 / E 262 LS114.0
Lash .020
Found carb box
mighty demon 750 pn5531
Or
5402010BC cat #
Jets 75/83 PV 6.5 / PLG SQ31
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