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Post  nuclearcobra on January 11th 2012, 5:22 pm

The man at the parts store says its the same, i ordered a case of F and he gives me FA.
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Post  61coon on January 11th 2012, 5:47 pm

If i remember right,Type FA has more friction modifyers and is designed for older vehicles. It won't hurt anything to run it.
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Post  nuclearcobra on January 11th 2012, 5:48 pm

Is there a firmer shift with type F ?
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Post  61coon on January 11th 2012, 6:32 pm

Not sure if the shift would change between the 2 different fluids or not?
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Post  whatbumper on January 11th 2012, 6:46 pm

My family has been in the tranny business since 1958 and the only thing that we ever recommended was type F until the synthetics came out for street cars. We've been recommending Hydro-guard for race apps since the early 90's.

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Post  whitefield on January 11th 2012, 11:59 pm

On the older shift kits from b&M they would recomend type F trans fluid for use in the brand x transmissions .the Type F helps give a firmer shift but doesn't hold up well to heat.

Type FA Transmission Fluid
Type FA is a high-quality transmission fluid specifically engineered to protect and prolong the life of automatic transmissions. It is designed for use where Ford specifications M2C33-F, M2C33-G and Ford Type F fluids are recommended.

•Provides excellent resistance against clutch slippage for extended transmission life
•Provides excellent resistance to fluid oxidation/breakdown at high temperatures
•Approved for 1980 and earlier Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles
•Approved for use in Mazda, Saab, Toyota, Volvo and other Japanese and European vehicles requiring a Type F fluid
•Other applications include air compressors, general purpose hydraulics and power steering systems
zoil A/C Compressor oil works good for modified high hp transmissions. type FA stands for ford automatic or ford anti foaming agents

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Post  nuclearcobra on January 12th 2012, 10:12 am

Well seems like the FA is a step up from the F then.
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Post  darren on January 12th 2012, 7:25 pm

What is classed as a modified high hp transmisson
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Post  whitefield on January 12th 2012, 11:56 pm

darren wrote:What is classed as a modified high hp transmisson

Here is some more info I hope this helps

Transmission Fluid for High HP Race Cars

Neal Racing Transmissions highly recommends the use of AMSOIL Compressor Oil for use in all of our transmissions, especially those in extreme horsepower applications. There are two specific reasons why we want our customers to use this fluid;

Very High Flash Point - AMSOIL Compressor Oil has a much higher flashpoint than regular transmission fluid - It's rated at 495° and a firepoint of 522°. Many other brands of conventional transmission fluids have flashpoints between 320° for Type F to 375° for Dexron. That's a big increase and could save you from a fire someday.

No Friction Modifiers - AMSOIL Compressor Oil has no friction modifiers. These transmissions are going into race cars, slipping clutches is not something we want to happen so we don't need friction modifiers to make our shifts "smoother". Note: Regular AMSOIL transmission fluid does have friction modifiers in it.
We've used this specific oil in many of the fastest powerglide race cars in the world with great success. The AMSOIL Synthetic Compressor oil is both safer and helps our transmissions live longer, more productive lives so they can go out and set records and annihilate the competition. Visit our Racing Transmission Fluid page to purchase Compressor Oil and other types of Transmission Fluid.
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Post  whatbumper on January 13th 2012, 12:00 am

Hmmm, I know a certain member who is an Amsoil dealer










ME!!!!

I sell to a few ADRL guys who use compressor oil.

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Post  darren on January 13th 2012, 12:38 am

Thanks Whitefield ,that helps heaps .
I have a pretty good manualized C6 for my street car and I will give the asmoil a try in it.
I have some fun with slipping clutches in my blown dragbike thanks to friction modifiers ,1000ft mark with alot of revs up it ,the clutch would slip and yep! you could hear it cry out from the other side of the pits ,
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Post  whatbumper on January 13th 2012, 9:51 am

darren wrote:Thanks Whitefield ,that helps heaps .
I have a pretty good manualized C6 for my street car and I will give the asmoil a try in it.
I have some fun with slipping clutches in my blown dragbike thanks to friction modifiers ,1000ft mark with alot of revs up it ,the clutch would slip and yep! you could hear it cry out from the other side of the pits ,

Run a little type f in the compressor oil for color or its a pain to read the dipstick

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Post  quick 52 on January 13th 2012, 10:50 am

tractor supply sell john deer trans oil and traveler tractor trans oil they work well the traveler is much cheaper

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Post  whitefield on January 13th 2012, 4:54 pm

quick 52 wrote: tractor supply sell john deer trans oil and traveler tractor trans oil they work well the traveler is much cheaper

The amzoil compressor oil doesn't have the friction modifiers . So in other words the other oils that have friction modifiers and are thicker so this will change stall speed and the friction modifiers are desgned to make a smoother shift. Not good for a race transmission. The John Deer Hygaurde will help with a stall that is too loose.
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Post  whatbumper on January 13th 2012, 6:09 pm

whitefield wrote:
quick 52 wrote: tractor supply sell john deer trans oil and traveler tractor trans oil they work well the traveler is much cheaper

The amzoil compressor oil doesn't have the friction modifiers . So in other words the other oils that have friction modifiers and are thicker so this will change stall speed and the friction modifiers are desgned to make a smoother shift. Not good for a race transmission. The John Deer Hygaurde will help with a stall that is too loose.

Amsoil Compressor oil = ISO 46

John Deere Hy-Guard low viscosity oil that WE use = ISO 32
Regular JD Hy-Guard = ISO 48 to 62
Tractor Supply hydraulic oil = ISO 46 to 68

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF = ISO 36
Most Dexrons = ISO 32

Motorcraft Type F = ISO 43

Usually ISO >32 is considered 20 weight oil and <32 is 10 weight in hydraulic fluids. Around ISO 100 is 30 weight.

Just for comparison sake. Of course the friction modifiers are different. Remember the tractor fluids AND type F are meant to help with clutch packs in the transmissions and wet brakes from slipping.

Never heard of type FA.


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Post  richter69 on January 13th 2012, 7:28 pm

a quart for color dont really do squat for being able to see it better..........just look for the sheen lol
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Post  whatbumper on January 13th 2012, 7:41 pm

richter69 wrote:a quart for color dont really do squat for being able to see it better..........just look for the sheen lol

I already forgot about posting that. Sorry, that was supposed to be a funny based on YB threads about the same subject. lol!

Never could figure out why color mattered.

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Post  nuclearcobra on January 14th 2012, 7:12 pm

Think i''ll just take it back and go get type F like ive always used.
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Post  White Lightning on July 23rd 2013, 11:37 pm

whatbumper wrote:
whitefield wrote:
quick 52 wrote: tractor supply sell john deer trans oil and traveler tractor trans oil they work well the traveler is much cheaper

The amzoil compressor oil doesn't have the friction modifiers . So in other words the other oils that have friction modifiers and are thicker so this will change stall speed and the friction modifiers are desgned to make a smoother shift. Not good for a race transmission. The John Deer Hygaurde will help with a stall that is too loose.

Amsoil Compressor oil = ISO 46

John Deere Hy-Guard low viscosity oil that WE use = ISO 32
Regular JD Hy-Guard = ISO 48 to 62
Tractor Supply hydraulic oil = ISO 46 to 68

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF = ISO 36
Most Dexrons = ISO 32

Motorcraft Type F = ISO 43

Usually ISO >32 is considered 20 weight oil and <32 is 10 weight in hydraulic fluids.  Around ISO 100 is 30 weight.

Just for comparison sake.  Of course the friction modifiers are different.  Remember the tractor fluids AND type F are meant to help with clutch packs in the transmissions and wet brakes from slipping.  

Never heard of type FA.

FA was a crossover fluid designed to work in either GM (Type A) or FoMoCo (Type F) automatic transmissions.
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Post  maverick on July 24th 2013, 9:31 pm

whatbumper wrote:
richter69 wrote:a quart for color dont really do squat for being able to see it better..........just look for the sheen lol

I already forgot about posting that. Sorry, that was supposed to be a funny based on YB threads about the same subject. lol!

Never could figure out why color mattered.

I think color only matters to track clean up crews. They like to know what the hell you dumped on their starting line.Mad 
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Post  whatbumper on July 25th 2013, 12:29 am

they use the same clean up methods for engine oil, trans fluid and rear ends everywhere I've been so color doesn't really matter. color on a dipstick is not really needed since the darn thing is wet or dry.

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