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Post  Mestro on August 7th 2012, 10:35 pm

Hi there.

I just bought a Ford Torino GT 1970 with a 460 in it. During the drive at home after 20min, the engine made a very noisy sound - I shutted down immediately. I can not desribe the sound... now I dont know exactly what to do (it is my first old muscle car with such kind of engine).

Tomorrow I will drain the oil to see if I will find bigger metal chips etc. Today I removed the valve cover, but nothing noticeable (from my point of view).

Does anybody have some recommendations (manuels, links, remarks, questions etc)? Currently I am disappointed.. spend money for a new car and now it is standing in the garage :-(...I would like have a car with a running engine.

I am looking forward for your feedback.


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Post  Barney on August 7th 2012, 10:39 pm

Oil pressure? Compression? Leak down?
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Post  bbf-falcon on August 7th 2012, 10:41 pm

Give us something to go on as far as what kind of sound and where it sounded like it came from. Did it start to lose power? Did it shake the car when it made the noise? Is it locked up?etc. Idea

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Post  Mestro on August 7th 2012, 10:47 pm

Hi Barney.

Oil pressure light wasn't on. Other instruments are not in the car (this is already on my to-do-list). Compression hasn't been measured (I am from Germany and I stay here since 4 months-- up to now I haven#t any special tools....).. no leakage.


I drove with ~55mph and from one to the next minute it the sound came up and (when I remeber right) a slightly shaking... after the shut down I tried to restart the engine (we were on the exit lane) the engine shutted down by itself...

I called the pre-owner and he mentioned the sound is coming from the driver side head area...

I know this information are not very helpful (but in this moment I was excited) and generally I am currently to unexperienced ...

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Post  Barney on August 7th 2012, 10:54 pm

Does the motor turn over?
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Post  Mestro on August 7th 2012, 11:03 pm

Barney wrote:Does the motor turn over?

Yes he does.. but it seems that he has somewhere high friction... I could hear the "noisy" sound during the start..

But I think, there will be no other option to remove the powertrain out of the car and open the engine?



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Post  Barney on August 7th 2012, 11:10 pm

Better take a look.
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Post  Mestro on August 7th 2012, 11:14 pm

Sad the thing is, the car is currently located in a garage of a friend (and we don't have any tools there)... so from my point of view, to remove this engine out of the car seems to be currently "mission impossible". I would like to ship this car to Germany (should be there avaiable beginning of October)...

Ooooooh.... my first experience with such kind of engine..


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Post  tall69 on August 8th 2012, 2:48 pm

It could be any number of things, big and small. Where are you located now? Maybe a forum member is close.
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Post  Mestro on August 8th 2012, 6:55 pm

Hi there.

I am located in Northville, MI. I will drain the oil now. Lets see if I'll find metal parts in it....

I will let you know later on..

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Post  Mestro on August 8th 2012, 8:17 pm

Hi there...

no news due to the fact, that none of the tools fit to the f****** oil drain bolt.... does anybody have a suggestions what kind of toola and what brand I can buy in the USA and where (the tools in the home depot don't look so robust)... otherwise I get pissed off every time I leave the garage.... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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Post  dirt_worker on August 8th 2012, 11:20 pm

does the rotor turn while you're cranking the engine?
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Post  bigblok2000ranger on August 8th 2012, 11:37 pm

Wal-mart has Stanley tool sets for a decent price. Should be able to get a decent starter set for ~$70 not top end tools but far from junk. They are made by Mac or Snap on which are good quality brands.
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Post  dfree383 on August 9th 2012, 1:50 am

If your new detriot Michigan, get ahold of randy Malik or adney brown, one of them should be able to a least diagnose the problem for a minimum cost.
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Post  DanH on August 9th 2012, 2:20 am

dfree383 wrote:If your new detriot Michigan, get ahold of randy Malik or adney brown, one of them should be able to a least diagnose the problem for a minimum cost.
plus a major repair in the U.S.A will cost way less . plus with the above mention forum members , they got the know how

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Post  bbf-falcon on August 9th 2012, 9:43 am

Wish I lived closer,I would love too help you out.

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Post  Mestro on August 10th 2012, 6:14 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:Wish I lived closer,I would love too help you out.

I would appreciate yourhelp.

I just drained the oil. no metals parts found (putted 4 magnets into the oil)
what now? remove the rockers arms to check the lifters and pushrods?

did anybody remove the oil pan in a Torino? or is it required to lift the engine?


i am looking forward for feedback

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Post  bbf-falcon on August 10th 2012, 7:04 pm

If it still has stock susp. you will most likely have to raise engine abit.

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Post  dirt_worker on August 10th 2012, 7:50 pm

it could be a broken dowel in the end of the cam, broken timing chain or a sheared distributor gear rollpin.
id make sure the distributor is rotating and report back....
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Post  bb429power on August 10th 2012, 8:01 pm

dirt_worker wrote:it could be a broken dowel in the end of the cam, broken timing chain or a sheared distributor gear rollpin.
id make sure the distributor is rotating and report back....
x2, simple check. pull the distributor cap, crank it over and watch if the rotor turns. My car stopped running during a cruise and I figured out everything that happened once I checked that.
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Post  Mestro on August 11th 2012, 1:02 pm

hi there.

i just removed the rocker arms and found one push rod bended. it has a bit scratch onit.i will providea picture later. can i remove the lifters without dissaembling of the intakemanifild?


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Post  69F100 on August 11th 2012, 3:07 pm

Mestro wrote:hi there.

i just removed the rocker arms and found one push rod bended. it has a bit scratch onit.i will providea picture later. can i remove the lifters without dissaembling of the intakemanifild?


No the intake will have to be removed to pull the lifter out
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Post  dirt_worker on August 11th 2012, 4:09 pm

since pushrods don't normally bend "all by themselves" id start looking for what caused yours to bend.....
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Post  rmcomprandy on August 11th 2012, 4:32 pm

Mestro wrote: Sad the thing is, the car is currently located in a garage of a friend (and we don't have any tools there)... so from my point of view, to remove this engine out of the car seems to be currently "mission impossible". I would like to ship this car to Germany (should be there avaiable beginning of October)...

Ooooooh.... my first experience with such kind of engine..


I would tow it somewhere reputable and pay them to do it.

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Post  bbf-falcon on August 11th 2012, 8:06 pm

Great idea. Wink

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