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Post  nitro717 on April 1st 2013, 12:21 pm

I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.
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Post  dfree383 on April 1st 2013, 12:23 pm

Did you try turning them around?
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Post  nitro717 on April 1st 2013, 12:33 pm

Nope installed them bars facing in.
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Post  dfree383 on April 1st 2013, 12:35 pm

Also might want to make sure you got 460 lifters and not small block ones.
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Post  10SHOTS on April 1st 2013, 12:38 pm

[quote="nitro717"]I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.

your going to have to notch the morel lifters, i have not used any yet that i didnt have to, just remember the bigger the notch the more the oil. i dont feel those lifters or just drop in and go lifters.


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Post  nitro717 on April 1st 2013, 12:39 pm

Yeap that's what i was just betting on...
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Post  dfree383 on April 1st 2013, 12:44 pm

Please Keep us posted, I'm going to be using my first set in a bit.

What part number are you using?
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Post  nitro717 on April 1st 2013, 12:59 pm

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Post  richter69 on April 1st 2013, 1:21 pm

just had to take a dremel tool to a set.....
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Post  bbf-falcon on April 1st 2013, 1:24 pm

What is the reasoning for that? You would think the mfg would do that rather than the customer,UNLESS that same lifter can be used in another app. Suspect

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Post  Wheelie58 on April 1st 2013, 2:43 pm

If the horizontal oil hole is not connected to the center band....Dremel zizz wheel time.
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Post  Lem Evans on April 1st 2013, 3:25 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:What is the reasoning for that? You would think the mfg would do that rather than the customer,UNLESS that same lifter can be used in another app. Suspect

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Post  Barney on April 1st 2013, 5:42 pm

[quote="10SHOTS"]
nitro717 wrote:I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.

your going to have to notch the morel lifters, i have not used any yet that i didnt have to, just remember the bigger the notch the more the oil. i dont feel those lifters or just drop in and go lifters.
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Post  richter69 on April 1st 2013, 6:43 pm

it dont need much a lot goes a little goes a long ways
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Post  David Cole on April 1st 2013, 6:59 pm

I have those lifters in my A460 block. Oiling is correct. No need to notch or do anything to the lifters.
But....my block was honed to the correct clearance.
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Post  Curt on April 1st 2013, 7:04 pm

richter69 wrote:it dont need much a lot goes a little goes a long ways


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Post  richter69 on April 1st 2013, 7:15 pm

Curt wrote:
richter69 wrote:it dont need much a lot goes a little goes a long ways




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Post  Dave C. on April 1st 2013, 9:21 pm

Same thing happened to to mine ....Ran it for a few minutes and pulled the covers off ...dry as a bone. Evil or Very Mad

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Post  Paul Kane on April 2nd 2013, 2:00 am

nitro717 wrote:I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.
Morel intentionally manufactures their lifters with a lifter body diameter that is on the high side (those which are sold under the Morel brand name). They do this so that the performance engine builder can size his lifter bore clearances exactly where he wants them, just like sizing the pin end of a con rod, for example. It's intended as high-end application stuff. If you don't set the lifter bore clearance, you may not get adequate top end oiling.

New blocks will need to have the lifter bores sized, and used blocks often need to be sized...or you can lightly notch the lifters instead of honing the lifter bores. (Another nice thing is if a used block's lifter bores are worn a thou or so, the Morels can "compensate" for that in some builds.) I think it's great that we have a lifter body with alkl of this in mind, and from a high quality manufacturer.

And Morel makes some very high quality lifters. People who use them and companies that offer them under their own brand name include: Force, Roush/Yates, Hendrick's, RCR...Isky, Crower, Merc, Lunati, and more.

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Post  nitro717 on April 2nd 2013, 4:35 pm

all fixed and have oil where there was none before. [img][/img]
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Post  richter69 on April 2nd 2013, 5:05 pm

man thats a big groove...........
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Post  Dave C. on April 2nd 2013, 5:13 pm

Groovy ! Cool

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Post  rmcomprandy on April 2nd 2013, 5:50 pm

David Cole wrote:I have those lifters in my A460 block. Oiling is correct. No need to notch or do anything to the lifters.
But....my block was honed to the correct clearance.

YES ... those lifters require a downward motion of the lifter body to force oil from the groove to the hole via lifter bore clearance. You won't see much oil up top regardless of the oil pressure unless the engine is running.

EDIT; According to them, these lifters were designed to run with NO other type oil restriction to the upper end. If you have an "A" type block with lifter bore oil restriction, it needs to be removed or the lifter needs modification.


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Post  Lem Evans on April 2nd 2013, 6:56 pm

Paul Kane wrote:
nitro717 wrote:I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.
Morel intentionally manufactures their lifters with a lifter body diameter that is on the high side (those which are sold under the Morel brand name). They do this so that the performance engine builder can size his lifter bore clearances exactly where he wants them, just like sizing the pin end of a con rod, for example. It's intended as high-end application stuff. If you don't set the lifter bore clearance, you may not get adequate top end oiling.

New blocks will need to have the lifter bores sized, and used blocks often need to be sized...or you can lightly notch the lifters instead of honing the lifter bores. (Another nice thing is if a used block's lifter bores are worn a thou or so, the Morels can "compensate" for that in some builds.) I think it's great that we have a lifter body with alkl of this in mind, and from a high quality manufacturer.

And Morel makes some very high quality lifters. People who use them and companies that offer them under their own brand name include: Force, Roush/Yates, Hendrick's, RCR...Isky, Crower, Merc, Lunati, and more.

Paul

Paul, the difference between Ford's high to low spec. for lifter dia. is but .0005". I doubt that much of the issue here is high vs. low.....above the high side would be another issue.

Comp's 836-16 lifter is ~ at the low side. In 1986 I was having an issue with pushrod erosion....I put a lot more oil to the upper gallery [I had a Boss 9 block]....no relief. I had to use the hillbilly grind or file thing to resolve it. My contact at Comp was made aware of the issue and the set of lifters we got the next year had the feed hole rotated in the lifter 90* closer to the gallery......issue resolved. They FIXED it.

Fastforward: 7-8 years ago to Doug Rahn's A460 engine. Doug supplied a nice set of Crower Hippo lifters...guess what...little to no oil to the rockers...I was and still am pissed Shocked More hillbilly crap...this time on an expensive lifters
Fastforward II: ~ 2 years ago I was involved in a very nice A460 build.....the owner requested .904" Crower lifters. Upon arrival, the inspection revealed that Crower had machined this really coool micro groove between the oil band/waist of the lifter.....they FIXED it

Before someone thinks I'm trying to burn a cross in Morel's yard......we are a stocking dealer for said lifter & I may have been the guy that sold the ones that Fabio just had to adjust....they just need to FIX it.


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Post  cool40 on April 2nd 2013, 10:21 pm

i had crowers in my 526 and had no problems.i replaced them with isky and had no problems.the new 605 has crowers and realy oils the top a little more than i wanted.the only time i ever had to work on a roller lifter was in a 351c with restrictors in the block.hillbilly way can save the day! Very Happy
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