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Post  octanehuffer on April 14th 2013, 12:43 pm

Hi all. Trying to decide on a combo for my 97 Thunderbird back half build. Going to be a street car with some TNT days mixed in with the intent to run low 9's. Car has a Chassisworks 4 link and a 9" on 315's. I'm looking for 800rwtq and overdrive to cruise with. I really love the big block instantaneous torque and pull. Not a fan of the economy though. Car has the stock mod motor and trans currently, so a Coyote and Whipple with 6R80 would bolt right in. But I'm not sure if it would give me the power I want. I'm sure the consensus will be a little biased here, but what do you guys think?
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  460vega on April 14th 2013, 3:41 pm

If I were going to street drive much I would go coyote/whipple ,just race bbf.
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Post  bruno on April 14th 2013, 6:08 pm

BBF ....no doubt !!! Very Happy
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  richter69 on April 14th 2013, 6:15 pm

I concur....
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  octanehuffer on April 14th 2013, 7:25 pm

I have an efi 460 block. What should be done. I'd like a stroker if this is the route to take. Also have some brand new .030 over forged Speed pro pistons
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Post  bbf-falcon on April 14th 2013, 8:19 pm

460vega wrote:If I were going to street drive much I would go coyote/whipple ,just race bbf.

X2. BBF and economy does not go together. There's only so much power that can be used on the street any hoo.. Very Happy

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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  NOS42 on April 14th 2013, 8:44 pm

Coyote for the win
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Post  octanehuffer on April 14th 2013, 9:17 pm

I also see that Hellion has a twin turbo setup that will make more power than I want. Emailed them about the kit.
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Post  cool40 on April 14th 2013, 10:23 pm

NOS42 wrote:Coyote for the win
x2 Very Happy
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  yellowhorse7 on April 14th 2013, 10:44 pm

cool40 wrote:
NOS42 wrote:Coyote for the win
x2 Very Happy

X100. Add a bit of boost and hurt feelings
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Post  powerstrokeace on April 15th 2013, 12:12 am

I'd go for the Animal.... and the blower


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Post  dfree383 on April 15th 2013, 1:36 am

octanehuffer wrote:I also see that Hellion has a twin turbo setup that will make more power than I want. Emailed them about the kit.

and the cost is?

IMO if you want something drivable and makes great power its hard to beat a 4V Mod Motor and a Blower or turbo, but its not cheap to do it right.

as far as a BBF you can make the power you want N/A but its not going to be friendy for driving around everywhere. What about a BBF with a 8-71?
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Post  octanehuffer on April 15th 2013, 8:57 am

The twin turbo kit is 7 grand. I'm sure I can build it much cheaper being that the kits are meant as a true bolt on for Mustangs. Most of the pipe will be wrong. The Coyote with control pack is $6500 a blower or turbo will be another $5000. For me to build the 460 to be how I want is going to be about $7000 plus I need to find an overdrive trans or convert my 4x4 C6 AND motor plate AND recess the engine back 6" to keep the weight proper. No big deal, but will be a real commitment to run the car with a big block. It would obviously be cheaper for me to use what I already have but I really don't think I will want to drive it as a daily if I wanted to. I read on a you tube post about a guy who has the twin turbos on his coyote and was still able to drive the car to a show 300 miles away with one tank of gas. Doubt he laid into the throttle but still...
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Post  blown86hallet on April 15th 2013, 10:46 am

We have a 5.0L or Coyote what ever you want to call it, twin turbo. At first we ran it 3,500 hrs 900+ hp 900+ torq, street driving, dyno time, drag race time etc... Tore it down... PERFECT.

Cleaned up the block, and other things, re-assembled, installed back in car, messed with a few things, turbos, cal, injectors, etc. ruff-ly 1,100 hp equal torque, been running for over a year now, street driving, drag, woodward cruze, etc... NOT a proble.

might try this combo?
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  dfree383 on April 15th 2013, 10:59 am

It's all in what you want.
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Post  octanehuffer on April 15th 2013, 12:41 pm

blown86hallet wrote:We have a 5.0L or Coyote what ever you want to call it, twin turbo. At first we ran it 3,500 hrs 900+ hp 900+ torq, street driving, dyno time, drag race time etc... Tore it down... PERFECT.

Cleaned up the block, and other things, re-assembled, installed back in car, messed with a few things, turbos, cal, injectors, etc. ruff-ly 1,100 hp equal torque, been running for over a year now, street driving, drag, woodward cruze, etc... NOT a proble.

might try this combo?
very intriguing. Sounds like something I can put together over the next couple of years and when Im ready to put the screws to it, give it some better internals. I personally wouldn't give it more than 13 lbs on the stock internals. Care to give some details of components used? I honestly know nothing about turbos
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Post  blown86hallet on April 15th 2013, 12:58 pm

octanehuffer wrote:
blown86hallet wrote:We have a 5.0L or Coyote what ever you want to call it, twin turbo. At first we ran it 3,500 hrs 900+ hp 900+ torq, street driving, dyno time, drag race time etc... Tore it down... PERFECT.

Cleaned up the block, and other things, re-assembled, installed back in car, messed with a few things, turbos, cal, injectors, etc. ruff-ly 1,100 hp equal torque, been running for over a year now, street driving, drag, woodward cruze, etc... NOT a proble.

might try this combo?
very intriguing. Sounds like something I can put together over the next couple of years and when Im ready to put the screws to it, give it some better internals. I personally wouldn't give it more than 13 lbs on the stock internals. Care to give some details of components used? I honestly know nothing about turbos

off the shelf parts. Manley H-beams, Diamond pistons, 4340 crank. turbos...? I'll look it up.
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Post  octanehuffer on April 15th 2013, 1:18 pm

The short block stuff I can figure out. How about turbos, injectors, intercooler. Turbine sizes and housing sizes. I have no idea what is needed or what to use. I've built a couple of mod motors and can't imagine the 5.0 would be much different than the rest. That's the easy part.lol
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  83-88T-Bird Guy on April 16th 2013, 7:35 am



I used to dream of buying the engine in this link and using remote turbo(s):
http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-racing-crate-engine-5-0l-4v-dohc-s-c-aluminator-9-5-1-gt-2011-2012/p/M6007A50SC/

Comes from Ford with forged lower compression pistons and H-beam rods. Boost ready. Very Happy

IMO....it would be hard to build (from scratch) a 1,000 + hp capable long block for less than $ 9,000.
However...the oil pan on those Coyote engines may be a tough fit for your T-Bird. I know the Fox chassis guys have to get a special k-member.

I vote for Coyote if you like hi-tech.
For brute off throttle torque, a ( stroker) BBF all the way.
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Post  octanehuffer on April 16th 2013, 5:50 pm

I am also investigating swapping in an aluminum subframe with wishbone from a crown Vic or Grand marquis. My '10 Grand Marquis is very small and the dimentions look as if it will bolt to the bottom of the existing frame on the bird. I would be able to make a bunch of room for an oil pan. I can get an aluminator for $7500, so I agree that I couldn't build one for that
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  jasonf on April 17th 2013, 9:10 am

dfree383 wrote:It's all in what you want.

And what you can afford. lol

The base coyote engine that is being quoted will not make a 1000 hspr. You would need the supercharged version which are a couple g's more. If you take the extra $10,000 + you are going to spend on the twin turbo coyote motor you could buy a lot of gas at 10 mpg.

This stock motor: $6249
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/5_0L_412HP_2011_MUSTANG_CRATE_ENGINE_p/m-6007-m50.htm

Vs the Aluminator version with better rods and pistons. $8350.
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/FORD_RACING_5_0L_ALUMINATOR_LOW_COMPRESSION_COYOTE_p/m-6007-a50sc.htm

Control pack $1450
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/FORD_RACING_5_0L_ALUMINATOR_LOW_COMPRESSION_COYOTE_p/m-6007-a50sc.htm

Twin turbo kit will be $7k for quality stuff not fleabay junk.

Depending on how much you want to drive the lowest cost option would be to find a used BBF in the 600 hspr range and go run 10's for 1/3 the price. It really all up to your goals and budget.
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Re: BBF or Coyote

Post  nastynotch600 on May 18th 2013, 1:11 am

i say coyote for the street ( btw car in your sig looks killer)

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Post  octanehuffer on May 18th 2013, 9:14 am

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