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Post  IDT-572 on August 26th 2013, 12:30 pm

I am doing a 4.250 stroke 4.185 bore 400 Pontiac, heads flowing 330+ @ 28 inches. 468 cid

What kind of power will a stock 2 bolt block carry. Just as a 460 has been carried up over 1000 hp, I know that 800-850 is as far as I will build one for a customer.

What is a realistic hp number for a Pontiac? I can build 15:1 compression with a flat top with this deal, and that is what my customer is wanting, but I am a little nervous about this deal.

I'm thinking this thing will make 700 hp with the cam and intake optimized. Just afraid it may be a time bomb........Shocked 

Anybody have any experience building and dynoing these engines.
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Post  dfree383 on August 26th 2013, 12:50 pm

I've only done a couple of street 389/400 motors years ago, Might talk with Adney Brown He's got the Pontiac disease.

They do have 4 bolt conversions for them and there where 4 bold blocks back in the day too.
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Post  Rich Osmond on August 26th 2013, 12:51 pm

I would place a call to Butler Performance. SUPER nice guys and they build some of the fastest pure Pontiac engines in the country. www.jbp-pontiac.com

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Post  dfree383 on August 26th 2013, 12:53 pm

Double hit....
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Post  cool40 on August 26th 2013, 2:23 pm

Rich Osmond wrote:I would place a call to Butler Performance.  SUPER nice guys and they build some of the fastest pure Pontiac engines in the country.  www.jbp-pontiac.com
they in Lawrenceburg too! Wink 
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Post  richter69 on August 26th 2013, 3:11 pm

Get ahold of Big Chief...............Smile 
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Post  IDT-572 on August 26th 2013, 3:27 pm

richter69 wrote:Get ahold of Big Chief...............Smile 
Big chief move Tee Pee full of crap................Laughing
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Post  IDT-572 on August 26th 2013, 3:28 pm

Looks like 650 HP is tops on the great Wontonka Rolling Eyes 
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Post  85bigblockfox on August 26th 2013, 3:28 pm

richter69 wrote:Get ahold of Big Chief...............Smile 
Was told he had the fastest pontiac in the country....
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Post  the Coug on August 26th 2013, 3:33 pm

richter69 wrote:Get ahold of Big Chief...............Smile 

Evil or Very Mad 
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Post  TravisRice on August 26th 2013, 10:15 pm

Call Shawn or Jim ...................http://pickettsauto.com/Pickett_s_Auto_Racing.html


You may get close to 700 with a stock block but that's pretty much the limit.

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Post  IDT-572 on August 26th 2013, 11:22 pm

TravisRice wrote:Call Shawn or Jim ...................http://pickettsauto.com/Pickett_s_Auto_Racing.html


You may get close to 700 with a stock block but that's pretty much the limit.  

Thanks for the info Travis, I think it would be best to hold him at around 650 hp. It should have killer torque with the runner size the heads have and run very well.
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Post  c.evans on August 26th 2013, 11:23 pm

Blake,

As you know the lifter bosses hang out "naked" in those blocks and they are pretty much unsupported. Thus the need for some sort of lifter girdle or bracing for big roller cams. Many Pontiac guys had tried running the bigger cams and as a result broke the lifter bosses/bores out of the block.

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Post  IDT-572 on August 26th 2013, 11:24 pm

c.evans wrote:Blake,

As you know the lifter bosses hang out "naked" in those blocks and they are pretty much unsupported.  Thus the need for some sort of lifter girdle  or bracing for big roller cams.  Many Pontiac guys had tried running the bigger cams and as a result broke the lifter bosses/bores out of the block.

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A flat tappet is in this cats future..................... Thanks,
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Post  dfree383 on August 27th 2013, 12:13 am

What heads and intake are you using?
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Post  IDT-572 on August 27th 2013, 8:58 am

Kaufman High ports and I'm not sure on the intake yet, but it will be a single plane to match the heads. Heads flow 330 out of the box and a good bowl job and they go 360 fairly easy.
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Post  dfree383 on August 27th 2013, 9:24 am

Might be a good investment for the customer to get an aftermarket block?

Those heads have some pretty good potential as far as Pontiac stuff goes.
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Post  dave d on August 27th 2013, 11:07 am

I would tell your customer to look into after market block or as charlie said some type of lifter bracing. A friend of mine just split his block two weeks ago right along lifter bosses--second time he has split a block, running high 9's in a firebird
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Post  IDT-572 on August 27th 2013, 11:08 am

The route he will have to take is a reduction in hp, he can't afford a good block.
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Post  dfree383 on August 27th 2013, 11:15 am

To be safe I'd look at reducing the compression too.... 15:1 is pretty stout.
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Post  IDT-572 on August 27th 2013, 11:20 am

dfree383 wrote:To be safe I'd look at reducing the compression too.... 15:1 is pretty stout.
I'm suggesting going to the Edelbrock RPM heads. That will drop it to around 13:1
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Post  dfree383 on August 27th 2013, 11:49 am

Damn shame to spend all that money on some good heads and rotating assemble and kill it because of a weak factory block.

The good iron blocks look to be about $3,000 +/- for the poncho's

Looks like tha Kaufman heads can hang with some SCJ / P-51's with the right work.
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Post  IDT-572 on August 27th 2013, 11:53 am

Some have them around 418 cfm at .800 lift. It's just the blocks are sky high..............
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Post  dfree383 on August 27th 2013, 1:27 pm

IDT-572 wrote:Some have them around 418 cfm at .800 lift.  It's just the blocks are sky high..............
only about $600-800 more than a A460 or Eliminator Block.
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Post  IDT-572 on August 27th 2013, 2:21 pm

dfree383 wrote:
IDT-572 wrote:Some have them around 418 cfm at .800 lift.  It's just the blocks are sky high..............
only about $600-800 more than a A460 or Eliminator Block.

True, but you have to step back at some point, and he is there..............Laughing 
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