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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 8:18 pm

I had a motor built by an engine builder that is somewhat local to me. It was done back in 2009, I just recently fired the motor October 2013. As I go through my paper work I discover several mischarges and a few things was not put in my engine that was discussed and was suppose to be in there. I've tried reaching out to the builder and he said he would call me back after thanksgiving. well that time has come and gone. I left another message on his phone and Im getting nothing.

I know there is no warranty on race parts but this has nothing to do with a warranty. I want what was suppose to be in my motor, paid for it it should be in there. Any suggestions or am I just screwed?
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Post  c.evans on December 16th 2013, 8:29 pm

Go pay him a visit. Shocked 

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Post  bigblok2000ranger on December 16th 2013, 8:35 pm

Do you have it in writing what was supposed to be in there that is not? Unfortianetely if you do not you may not have any rights to do anything, then again even if you do, depending on your local laws you may still not have any recourse due to the time that has passed. I would also go directly to this shop to discuss this it is not something easily resolved over the phone.
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Post  61coon on December 16th 2013, 8:36 pm

Take all your paper work and pay him a visit in person. The one thing I see that could be a problem is if you don't have any documents stating the work or parts you requested. If it's committed to your memory, he may not remember it as he has done a lot of work since 2009. Kinda a sore deal since its been >4 years. But,sounds like you're a little like me in the aspect of working and building on your project when you can. Nothing wrong with that. I wish you luck on getting things straightened out though. ---RED
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 8:56 pm

bigblok2000ranger wrote:Do you have it in writing what was supposed to be in there that is not? Unfortianetely if you do not you may not have any rights to do anything, then again even if you do, depending on your local laws you may still not have any recourse due to the time that has passed. I would also go directly to this shop to discuss this it is not something easily resolved over the phone.

Well the 1 time he answered the phone I asked to meet with him in person and thats when he said he would call me back and have not heard from him since.
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Post  jasonf on December 16th 2013, 9:05 pm

Four years ago? I'd eat it like a man unless you have paper evidence he made a mistake. You should have checked it out 4 years ago but you didn't. I have had several items over the years that were wrong and I still have them due to the exact same reason you are stating but it is nobodies fault but mine.
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 9:06 pm

I have all my paper work and it actually shows where I got double charged for some things as well so I really would just like to talk it all over with him and what we can come up with. The builder is very hard to get ahold of as to building engines is not his primary job. The item that was not installed in my motor was hell fire rings for spraying nitrous. What bothers me is when I recieved the motor from him I asked if they made sure to put the hellfire rings in, he told me no they didnt but instead they used a different ring that was equivilent to the hell fires. That bothers me because if I had ran my motor on a big shot of nos I couldve damaged something. Thats just not right. No 

The other thing was that his dad suggested I use the black coated bearing in my motor so I said yeah get them, but when I asked if thats what they used they said no, but the bearings are just coated. I can live with this 1 tho.
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 9:09 pm

jasonf wrote:Four years ago? I'd eat it like a man unless you have paper evidence he made a mistake. You should have checked it out 4 years ago but you didn't. I have had several items over the years that were wrong and I still have them due to the exact same reason you are stating but it is nobodies fault but mine.

I kinda see ur point, but this is to be reputable company and as far as I know they do not operate in this matter. 1 year 3 years they did not do what they was suppose to do. If they are stand up guys just make it right. jus sayin.
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Post  61coon on December 16th 2013, 9:17 pm

deliveredfast wrote:I have all my paper work and it actually shows where I got double charged for some things as well so I really would just like to talk it all over with him and what we can come up with. The builder is very hard to get ahold of as to building engines is not his primary job. The item that was not installed in my motor was hell fire rings for spraying nitrous. What bothers me is when I recieved the motor from him I asked if they made sure to put the hellfire rings in, he told me no they didnt but instead they used a different ring that was equivilent to the hell fires. That bothers me because if I had ran my motor on a big shot of nos I couldve damaged something. Thats just not right. No 

The other thing was that his dad suggested I use the black coated bearing in my motor so I said yeah get them, but when I asked if thats what they used they said no, but the bearings are just coated. I can live with this 1 tho.

You should be able to get some results on the double charged items then. Did you swap the rings out or run the hell fire equivalents?
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 9:19 pm

61coon wrote:
deliveredfast wrote:I have all my paper work and it actually shows where I got double charged for some things as well so I really would just like to talk it all over with him and what we can come up with. The builder is very hard to get ahold of as to building engines is not his primary job. The item that was not installed in my motor was hell fire rings for spraying nitrous. What bothers me is when I recieved the motor from him I asked if they made sure to put the hellfire rings in, he told me no they didnt but instead they used a different ring that was equivilent to the hell fires. That bothers me because if I had ran my motor on a big shot of nos I couldve damaged something. Thats just not right. No 

The other thing was that his dad suggested I use the black coated bearing in my motor so I said yeah get them, but when I asked if thats what they used they said no, but the bearings are just coated. I can live with this 1 tho.

You should be able to get some results on the double charged items then. Did you swap the rings out or run the hell fire equivalents?

no not yet, but I plan on it no matter how this turns out.
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Post  61coon on December 16th 2013, 9:26 pm

deliveredfast wrote:
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deliveredfast wrote:I have all my paper work and it actually shows where I got double charged for some things as well so I really would just like to talk it all over with him and what we can come up with. The builder is very hard to get ahold of as to building engines is not his primary job. The item that was not installed in my motor was hell fire rings for spraying nitrous. What bothers me is when I recieved the motor from him I asked if they made sure to put the hellfire rings in, he told me no they didnt but instead they used a different ring that was equivilent to the hell fires. That bothers me because if I had ran my motor on a big shot of nos I couldve damaged something. Thats just not right. No 

The other thing was that his dad suggested I use the black coated bearing in my motor so I said yeah get them, but when I asked if thats what they used they said no, but the bearings are just coated. I can live with this 1 tho.

You should be able to get some results on the double charged items then. Did you swap the rings out or run the hell fire equivalents?

no not yet, but I plan on it no matter how this turns out.


Well, you may be outta luck or he may work with you. I hope the latter. When you don't get what you ask and pay for, it's a bummer. I've had it to happen me before, even by "close" friends. Good luck with it.
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Post  richter69 on December 16th 2013, 10:04 pm

one more reason to put your own stuff together.....

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Post  TravisRice on December 16th 2013, 10:11 pm

richter69 wrote:one more reason to put your own stuff together.....



I could not agree more ......... no better time to get friendly with the engine and know what you have and how you got there.

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Post  richter69 on December 16th 2013, 10:12 pm

and you have access to a good forum with folks willing to help you do it.
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 10:24 pm

yeah I see what you guys are saying, but at the time I didnt want to risk botching something up when all the parts cost so much money. The only thing I didnt do was the short block. Everything else I handled. From here on out I guess I will give it a go.
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Post  cool40 on December 16th 2013, 10:42 pm

4 years later  Suspect  i dont see him do'n much about it. what kind of rings did he put in? lots of rings can stand spray.
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Post  deliveredfast on December 16th 2013, 10:52 pm

cool40 wrote:4 years later  Suspect  i dont see him do'n much about it. what kind of rings did he put in? lots of rings can stand spray.

just regular moly ring set
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Post  richter69 on December 16th 2013, 11:47 pm

run it!!
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Post  whitefield on December 16th 2013, 11:52 pm

richter69 wrote:one more reason to put your own stuff together.....




X 1000000 !
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Post  cool40 on December 17th 2013, 12:10 am

i guess i'd be worried about the gap than the rings he used.i like to build my stuff so i know who screwed it up,and i have screwed up my share!  Laughing 
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Post  Frank Merkl on December 17th 2013, 1:34 am

ran moly rings for years with nitrous ! miss the tune up and the end result is the same !and spraying 4 lbs of nitrous in 7 seconds makes for a small tuning window!!!
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and that according to the data logger it took .7 of a second of the motor not being happy !!
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Post  Frank Merkl on December 17th 2013, 2:37 am

Yeap !! we leaked a piston out the header pipes!!
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and this was with 5 1/2 degrees total timing on C23 !!
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Post  bbf-falcon on December 17th 2013, 7:55 am

cool40 wrote:i guess i'd be worried about the gap than the rings he used.i like to build my stuff so i know who screwed it up,and i have screwed up my share!  Laughing 

That's a BIG 10.4. And after 4 yrs. probably all you might get reimbursed for will be for the Double charged items.

I think its just wrong not doing whats been agreed upon w/installed parts. For the engines that I have assembled for customers on this Forum and others,I always keep in contact w/changes and problems that the customers engine encounter along the way. Its just the right thing too do.

Good Luck.

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Post  LivermoreDave on December 17th 2013, 10:38 am

deliveredfast wrote: It was done back in 2009, I just recently fired the motor October 2013. As I go through my paper work I discover several mischarges and a few things was not put in my engine

deliveredfast wrote:Well the 1 time he answered the phone I asked to meet with him in person and thats when he said he would call me back and have not heard from him since.

deliveredfast wrote:I kinda see ur point, but this is to be reputable company

While reviewing your post and replies it seems to me a few important issues were overlooked. Think of it this way! The $250 or so that may be involved in a lengthy settlement is cheap education. In other words "a lesson learned". Approach your tune up with the suspected parts you have and move on. Sometimes you may find the higher initial cost of a "reputable company" may have value in the long run!

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