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Post  dragsterdick on January 30th 2014, 10:53 pm

I am told by Blue Thunder that they have a better oil filter system and use a bigger filter to get oil thru the bearings. Does anybody know about it or use it?

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Post  dfree383 on January 30th 2014, 11:06 pm

I've never had an issue using a jomar or fl1hp filter.
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Post  powerstrokeace on January 31st 2014, 8:51 am

tell me how you can provide more oil through the same size oil channels in the block?

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Post  LivermoreDave on January 31st 2014, 10:22 am

Without details and generally speaking, increase volume.

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Post  dragsterdick on January 31st 2014, 10:44 am

Dave and Ace, I don't know how you can either, but he was telling me that the way he bolts the filter on and a truck diesel filter gives better oiling to the rear of the motor? Just wondered if anybody else knows anything ?

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Post  bbf-falcon on January 31st 2014, 11:56 am

When I do my block mods on a stock block,I drill out the passage from pump to filter to I think its 9/16

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Post  the Coug on January 31st 2014, 12:12 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:When I do my block mods on a stock block,I drill out the passage from pump to filter to I think its 9/16
 
 
Rick I go 5/8 but you are right any bigger is a plus if you decide to do this do it in steps not just get a 9/16 of so bit and drill away I also drill out the passage to the main galley also...
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Post  LivermoreDave on January 31st 2014, 1:12 pm

dragsterdick wrote:Dave and Ace, I don't know how you can either, but he was telling me that the way he bolts the filter on and a truck diesel filter gives better oiling to the rear of the motor?  Just wondered if anybody else knows anything ?

I'm not educated with the aftermarket's BBF (385 series) architecture. The Ford OEM version is very similar to the Ford 335 series. A simple yet effective approach to provide additional oil to the rear of the Ford OEM 385 series engine is to add an oil line from the front driver's side oil pressure orifice to the top rear oil pressure orifice. Also, higher filtration oil filters or compounding oil filters will create a restriction in flow of the oil. If an extra amount of filtration is required this may be an effective means to filter the oil, otherwise less restrictive oil filters may offer an advantage as to the oil's ability to traverse through the engine.

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Post  strokedmyford on January 31st 2014, 1:58 pm

I stumbled across this the other day http://www.enemyracing.com/oilsys.html
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Post  LivermoreDave on January 31st 2014, 2:50 pm

That's appears to be very similar to the Ford 335 series P/S and S/S preparation applied years ago.

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Post  dfree383 on January 31st 2014, 8:12 pm

I've never noticed a problem with the stock system as long as the engine is assembled correctly and the clearances are correct. Seems like a lot of trouble for little gain to me.
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Post  racinghabbit on January 31st 2014, 8:25 pm

about 2 years ago i found pictures and a detailed info on how do smooth out the passages and open up the hole by the oil filter and radius the turn...

I wasn't very happy with the end result.. I put a jon kaase oil pump in it and clearanced the bearings for 10w30 vr1... and at 900 rpms i had less than 5 lbs of oil pressure......

Maybe i made a mistake , or opening it up that much was too much....

My experience, not messing with it works just fine... i've built couple 302, 351w, 460, pontiac 455, 500 caddy... and they all still run with great oil pressure....
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Post  Paul Kane on January 31st 2014, 11:44 pm

the Coug wrote:...I also drill out the passage to the main galley...
Hey Coug, I'm confused--why are you directing engine oil to the kitchen? Laughing

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Post  Paul Kane on January 31st 2014, 11:45 pm

LivermoreDave wrote:I'm not educated with the aftermarket's BBF (385 series) architecture. The Ford OEM version is very similar to the Ford 335 series. A simple yet effective approach to provide additional oil to the rear of the Ford OEM 385 series engine is to add an oil line from the front driver's side oil pressure orifice to the top rear oil pressure orifice.
That trick originated with the 335 Series.  And although the 335 oiling system is indeed similar to the 385 oiling system (virtually identical but with one very significant difference), I am thoroughly (and I mean thoroughly) convinced that adding the typically fashioned 335 external line to the 385 Series does more harm than good.  And when I say that I don't mean "it can't hurt anything," I really mean, "does more harm than good."


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Post  Paul Kane on January 31st 2014, 11:45 pm

strokedmyford wrote:I stumbled across this the other day http://www.enemyracing.com/oilsys.html
I know passenger car blocks (past and current) with OEM oiling systems that support thousands of horsepower; please remind me again what the benefit is with this "frankensteined" primary mains oiling system?  Smile 
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Post  Paul Kane on January 31st 2014, 11:46 pm

racinghabbit wrote:about 2 years ago i found pictures and a detailed info on how do smooth out the passages and open up the hole by the oil filter and radius the turn...

I wasn't very happy with the end result.. I put a jon kaase oil pump in it and clearanced the bearings for 10w30 vr1... and at 900 rpms i had less than 5 lbs of oil pressure......

Maybe i made a mistake , or opening it up that much was too much....  
You have a lot to learn about these engines, grasshopper...
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Post  LivermoreDave on February 1st 2014, 11:10 am

Paul Kane wrote:
LivermoreDave wrote:I'm not educated with the aftermarket's BBF (385 series) architecture. The Ford OEM version is very similar to the Ford 335 series. A simple yet effective approach to provide additional oil to the rear of the Ford OEM 385 series engine is to add an oil line from the front driver's side oil pressure orifice to the top rear oil pressure orifice.

That trick originated with the 335 Series.  And although the 335 oiling system is indeed similar to the 385 oiling system (virtually identical but with one very significant difference), I am thoroughly (and I mean thoroughly) convinced that adding the typically fashioned 335 external line to the 385 Series does more harm than good.  And when I say that I don't mean "it can't hurt anything," I really mean, "does more harm than good."

Mr. Webster's definition of harm. Hurt; injury; damage. To do harm to.
Coug, can you clarify Paul's response to my post, I can't!

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Post  the Coug on February 1st 2014, 11:17 am

LivermoreDave wrote: Coug, can you clarify Paul's response to my post, I can't!

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Nope Dave you will have to get one of the  dreamers to clarify it for you, they say they are the one with all the knowledge or the God Squad
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Post  bbf-falcon on February 1st 2014, 12:18 pm

[quote="racinghabbit"]about 2 years ago i found pictures and a detailed info on how do smooth out the passages and open up the hole by the oil filter and radius the turn...

I wasn't very happy with the end result.. I put a jon kaase oil pump in it and clearanced the bearings for 10w30 vr1... and at 900 rpms i had less than 5 lbs of oil pressure......

Maybe i made a mistake


I've modified quite a few of these blocks using PK's info and have not noticed any loss of pressure, so I can't see why opening up the passages would'nt help.

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Post  racinghabbit on February 1st 2014, 1:42 pm

I followed everything to a t... motor ran strong... and i did not have any bearing problems ...

Just saying its freaked me out... haveing low oil pressure and my oil pressure switch was a 5lbs so sometimes staging it would die out..

Yes , i have a lot to learn... i'm all eye's and ears...
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Post  bbf-falcon on February 1st 2014, 1:49 pm

Weird shit happens sometimes. Very Happy 

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 7th 2014, 12:52 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:Weird shit happens sometimes. Very Happy 

That's the way I remember while watching Up in Smoke! ...  geek  ...

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Post  Rich Osmond on February 7th 2014, 1:04 pm

Dave - Like most I have a lot to learn too and I am always trying to learn more. Having said that I have a similar external line to the back of my 382 block tee'd into a 3 quart accumulator and have been very satisfied with the results. Provides me opportunity to pre-oil the engine before starting it (big plus!) and oil pressure at the big end has been much better.

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Post  Rich Osmond on February 7th 2014, 1:05 pm

385 block....

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Post  lghting94 on February 7th 2014, 5:22 pm

I did the mods on PK's website to my old mud truck moter and saw no change in oil pressure(35-45 psi hot) but my bearings looked better at the end of the season at which time I had lifter bore bushings installed to correct the lifter angles and to reduce the lifter clearance as my machinist thought it was a little to much. After this modification oil pressure increased(60-70 psi hot) and bearings looked like new after a full season of racing.
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