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Post  VIKING557 on February 6th 2014, 7:31 pm

while assembling my short block i found the camshaft is moving out of the block over .025. the block is a 460 ford motorsport and i am using a milodon gear drive, i called them and was told they never heard of this problem. has anyone seen this happen? any comments or ideas would be greatly appreciated. thanks

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Post  Diggindeeper on February 6th 2014, 9:25 pm

Missing the retainer plate?
Is it a roller or flat tappet?
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Post  VIKING557 on February 8th 2014, 7:47 am

Its a mechanical roller and the gear drive mounting plate eliminates the original thrust plate

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Post  res0rli9 on February 8th 2014, 8:17 am

Put a chain on it or a Danny Bee.

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Post  powerstrokeace on February 8th 2014, 11:25 am

Why the gear drive?

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Post  bbfstanger on February 8th 2014, 3:56 pm

is the thrust washer on the back of the cam gear? ,looks like bronze or brass colored

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Post  jeffgfg on February 8th 2014, 9:04 pm

Put the stock retainer on and see if you still have the end play. If not it must be either in the gear drive or the installation of it. Did you check the cam plug in the back of the block???

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Post  c.evans on February 9th 2014, 12:50 pm

jeffgfg wrote:Put the stock retainer on and see if you still have the end play. If not it must be either in the gear drive or the installation of it. Did you check the cam plug in the back of the block???

Your first sentence is good and accurate info. But the second sentence is misleading, the cam plug in the back of the block has nothing to do with camshaft end play. The camshaft should never touch the cam plug in the back of the block, or even come close.

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Post  jeffgfg on February 9th 2014, 1:20 pm

Thanks for the correction Mr Evans. Always good to know that someone is keeping me from making stupid mistakes and keeping me on my toes.

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 9th 2014, 1:28 pm

c.evans wrote:
Your first sentence is good and accurate info. But the second sentence is misleading, the cam plug in the back of the block has nothing to do with camshaft end play.  The camshaft should never touch the cam plug in the back of the block, or even come close.
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First my apologizes for my confusion. Can you explain in terms of definite measurement the distance the camshaft should reside from the cam plug? You use the terms, "should never touch" and "or even come close", it seems misleading to me! For myself, would you offer a definite measurement or value (i.e.: 0.001", 0.050", 1/8" or a value of dimensions that I could add to my next engine build.)

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 9th 2014, 1:30 pm

jeffgfg wrote:Thanks for the correction Mr Evans. Always good to know that someone is keeping me from making stupid mistakes and keeping me on my toes.

It's OK Jeff, he gets plenty of correction during our road trips! ...  Razz  ...

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Post  jeffgfg on February 9th 2014, 1:48 pm

Thanks Dave lol! 

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Post  c.evans on February 9th 2014, 7:44 pm

For Super Dave,

BB Ford Engine Building 101 Steps;

1. After thoroughly cleaning the block for the final time, install the cam bearings.
2. Carefully install the camshaft without nicking any of the bearings. Use proper lube on the bearings.
3. Bolt on your cam retainer plate. Use Loc-tite on the two little bolts.
4. Bolt on your cam gear using Loc-tite and a proper length grade 8 bolt and check your camshaft end-play. Too much end play will cause eratic timing and spark scatter.
Steps 5. though 100. Proceed with the rest of your build.
101. After the engine is off the engine stand, setting on a cradle, you can install the cam plug from the back. Use sealer and drive it in, just enough to get a good seal. If you bump the camshaft, from the back, you drove it in too far!

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 9th 2014, 8:22 pm

Thank you Charlie. I feel blessed to have such a fart smeller like you around!

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Post  c.evans on February 9th 2014, 8:54 pm

LivermoreDave wrote:Thank you Charlie. I feel blessed to have such a fart smeller like you around!

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You got it. Very Happy  Laughing 

Meanwhile when are you going to come get this white '67 Fairlane S/S car and get started on it?

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Post  jbozzelle on February 9th 2014, 10:38 pm

Is the bolt holding the gear on the car too long? is the cam actually moving? or is the bolt too long and the gear is moving along the length of the bolt?

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 9th 2014, 10:51 pm

c.evans wrote:
LivermoreDave wrote:Thank you Charlie. I feel blessed to have such a fart smeller like you around!

Dave.

You got it. Very Happy  Laughing 

Meanwhile when are you going to come get this white '67 Fairlane S/S car and get started on it?

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When you get it to this stage, I'll come over and get it!

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