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Post  simon455 on February 16th 2014, 10:37 pm

started taking apart my dad apparent 429 out of his 72 gran torino project that he purchased few years ago from someone that had no knowledge of this car.
from outside motor appeared like someone put  few bucks into it (studded heads, fluid dampener, crane gold roller rockers, billet msd distributor, offy port o sonic intake 850 holley, arp bolts everywhere) took it apart, found out by the crank numbers that's its a 460. Block is d1ve-6015-a2, stock crank, stock rods, cast dished pistons. heads and intake appear to have some port work done, bigger valves as well. Cam is a hydraulic tappet also unknown. So I took few pictures of this stuff hoping that someone here could help out to id this stuff if possible because casting numbers seem to be grounded off.

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Post  simon455 on February 16th 2014, 10:38 pm

here is a link to the pictures as it didn't post for some reason
http://public.fotki.com/simonsq/bbf/
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Post  capncruncher1965 on February 17th 2014, 12:13 am

SOMEONE has done some head work to your motor to . are they dove heads?
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Post  LivermoreDave on February 17th 2014, 8:26 am

Not much help, block is early version (D1AE-A2) and cylinder head casting date appears to be April 18, 1969. Is the top valve stem damaged in picture 6 (I think)?

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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 11:03 am

capncruncher1965 wrote:SOMEONE has done some head work to your motor to . are they dove heads?
cant tell as the casting numbers are not evident anywhere on these heads

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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 11:16 am

LivermoreDave wrote:Not much help, block is early version (D1AE-A2) and cylinder head casting date appears to be April 18, 1969. Is the top valve stem damaged in picture 6 (I think)?

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Its just in the picture I guess, valves look fine, any idea what combustion chamber that may be, trying to determine what compression this motor was and if decide to carry on with a rebuild, what pistons to get for pump gas street motor. Current pistons are 0.30 over identical to these: http://public.fotki.com/simonsq/bbf/piston.html
also the cam numbers, do they appear as a stock camshaft?


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Post  460bronco on February 17th 2014, 1:11 pm

so I'm guessing someone ground the casting # off the heads? Looking down on the head, they will be outside the valve cover rail and above the exhaust ports.
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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 2:55 pm

Yes, they are not there, most likely grounded off, nothing at the bottom of the intake side either. When we were buying this car, guy was mentioning "cobra jet engine"
I knew prior there was no 429 cobra jet in 72 Torino, but whatever he was saying didn't really matter, shell was in decent shape and nice candidate for a pro touring style street build. Now I see that it has the D00E A rods with arp bolts, apparently scj rods. I need to find out about all this stuff to see if I should reuse some of this or maybe all,
I think that the Torino needs a nice healthy hydraulic 500-525hp motor to boot around with some decent highway/street rear gear among with bigger brakes and wheels

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Post  supervel45 on February 17th 2014, 3:15 pm

D20E Police Interceptor heads? I can't tell just a guess. The intake ports look pretty lage in the pictures. Was it the original engine? On the cam, measure the with, and height of the lobes, subtract the two, and mulitpy by 1.73 to get an idea of the lift. Check lifters and find out if they are hyd. or mechanical? Pistons have a large dish it appears, and the compression should not be too high, assumming not much milling has been done to heads or block?


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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 3:40 pm

Engine is not from the car, vin states it's a 6 cyl, although I don't think there was a 6cyl fastback. Cam is hydraulic with new looking valve springs. The ports and the heads and intake match the gaskets, definetly work was done there, I will do the cam measurements

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Post  supervel45 on February 17th 2014, 4:57 pm

112256= 112LS 256 Duration adv.? Isky 256RV Cam maybe? Isky made three RV cams for 429-460 engines, and they where around 480-500lift. I can pull the specs after you measure the lobes.                                                                                                                                            http://www.iskycams.com/pdfcatalog/2004-05/page148.pdf 256 Super Cam?

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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 5:51 pm

It is roughly .501 lift on the int lobe

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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 6:14 pm

Date codes on the heads are 9c27 and 9d18

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Post  cool40 on February 17th 2014, 10:51 pm

pics are hard to tell about but the intake port looks almost like a CJ port.does the valve cover bolt go into the intake runner?
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Post  simon455 on February 17th 2014, 11:29 pm

Yes! It has a hole on both heads only in front intake port, here is a picture of it:
http://public.fotki.com/simonsq/bbf/img-2809.html

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Post  cool40 on February 17th 2014, 11:59 pm

better pics of the intake runner would help. Wink 
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Re: need help to id few componets

Post  supervel45 on February 18th 2014, 12:01 am

simon455 wrote:It is roughly .501 lift on the int lobe
                                                                                                                                       The Isky 256 Super Cam is listed at .492" lift with a 1.75 rocker ratio. This is the way only Isky rates lift as for as I know, and most other cam companies use 1.73 rockers. Read the Isky fine print. So .501" is a tad high. Did you get a good accurate reading? I would look for something at least in the 270 degree range with those heads for any kind of RPM, but you still won't crack 500 HP. Looks like a nice engine, you have.


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