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Post  STR-LGL-70 on February 25th 2014, 8:50 pm

Anyone have any experience with super stock??
Does it take mega $$ compared to fast brackets to be competitive?
I know there are many different classes, weight breaks, etc; just kickin' something around. Cool
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Post  Dave C. on February 25th 2014, 8:53 pm

Pricey... My favorite classes.... The only SS guy I knew passed away two years ago.. He was interesting to talk to.

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Post  STR-LGL-70 on February 25th 2014, 9:06 pm

I figured it would be pricey depending on which class entered. Reason I'm curious is my youngest posted on YB about DOOE-R heads & stirred the pot. Apparently the 385 ford is not really represented too well in this class. I've got a 71 F code manual trans project car in my back garage  and would like to upgrade my '70 from iron heads to maybe a set of C's. Maybe put the factory SCJ's in the 71'.
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Post  Dave C. on February 25th 2014, 9:09 pm

You may want to check out Class Racers forum...

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Post  STR-LGL-70 on February 25th 2014, 9:23 pm

Thanks!
Will check it out.
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Post  dfree383 on February 26th 2014, 12:21 am

Collin On here runs a SS/GT with a late model mustang and a 429 CJ, I haven't talked with him in awhile but he did quite well with it.
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Post  rmcomprandy on February 26th 2014, 1:03 am

dfree383 wrote:Collin On here runs a SS/GT with a late model mustang and a 429 CJ, I haven't talked with him in awhile but he did quite well with it.

AND ... it was/is really expensive compared to a "bracket type" car.

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Post  Beast on February 26th 2014, 7:10 am

STR-LGL-70 wrote:I figured it would be pricey depending on which class entered. Reason I'm curious is my youngest posted on YB about DOOE-R heads & stirred the pot. Apparently the 385 ford is not really represented too well in this class. I've got a 71 F code manual trans project car in my back garage  and would like to upgrade my '70 from iron heads to maybe a set of C's. Maybe put the factory SCJ's in the 71'.


Mustanggt408?

LOL, I read that thread.

Lots of misinformation and confusion.  Razz 
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Post  LivermoreDave on February 26th 2014, 8:20 am

rmcomprandy wrote:
dfree383 wrote:Collin On here runs a SS/GT with a late model mustang and a 429 CJ, I haven't talked with him in awhile but he did quite well with it.

AND ... it was/is really expensive compared to a "bracket type" car.

Make that a double .... X2! Also the CJ/SCJ doesn't have a good home in NHRA S/S as do later, low compression, low horsepower versions.
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Post  5pointslow on February 26th 2014, 8:27 am

STR-LGL-70 wrote:I figured it would be pricey depending on which class entered. Reason I'm curious is my youngest posted on YB about DOOE-R heads & stirred the pot. Apparently the 385 ford is not really represented too well in this class. I've got a 71 F code manual trans project car in my back garage  and would like to upgrade my '70 from iron heads to maybe a set of C's. Maybe put the factory SCJ's in the 71'.


i saw that thread he deffinitly stirred the pot on that topic
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Post  bbf-falcon on February 26th 2014, 12:59 pm

Anytime you go SS racing it will be pricey. It takes a lot of Know how,tricks,dynoing,tuning,and the right car and weight brake,etc. SS racers are savey racers and the competitive ones are at the top of their game.Probably 10 times more expensive to go SS racing or more than Bracket racing imo.

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Post  rmcomprandy on February 26th 2014, 1:48 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:Anytime you go SS racing it will be pricey. It takes a lot of Know how,tricks,dynoing,tuning,and the right car and weight brake,etc. SS racers are savey racers and the competitive ones are at the top of their game.Probably 10 times more expensive to go SS racing or more than Bracket racing imo.

Just to visualize actualities:
Going strictly from memory; Colin's "05 Mustang weighed around 3,400 pounds with a 3 speed automatic and just 440 cubic inches with D0OE-R heads using "stock OEM volume runners and valve sizes" and only a 780cfm carb went almost 9 flat in the 1/4 mile.

EDIT:  That was over some 4 years ago.

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Post  5pointslow on February 26th 2014, 1:59 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
bbf-falcon wrote:Anytime you go SS racing it will be pricey. It takes a lot of Know how,tricks,dynoing,tuning,and the right car and weight brake,etc. SS racers are savey racers and the competitive ones are at the top of their game.Probably 10 times more expensive to go SS racing or more than Bracket racing imo.

Just to visualize actualities:
Going strictly from memory; Colin's "05 Mustang weighed around 3,400 pounds with a 3 speed automatic and just 440 cubic inches with D0OE-R heads using "stock OEM volume runners and valve sizes" and only a 780cfm carb went almost 9 flat in the 1/4 mile.

EDIT:  That was over some 4 years ago.

just by reading that if there wasnt any tricks going on there , thats impressive hell if it ran 10.00 it still be impressive
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Post  rmcomprandy on February 26th 2014, 2:11 pm

5pointslow wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
bbf-falcon wrote:Anytime you go SS racing it will be pricey. It takes a lot of Know how,tricks,dynoing,tuning,and the right car and weight brake,etc. SS racers are savey racers and the competitive ones are at the top of their game.Probably 10 times more expensive to go SS racing or more than Bracket racing imo.

Just to visualize actualities:
Going strictly from memory; Colin's "05 Mustang weighed around 3,400 pounds with a 3 speed automatic and just 440 cubic inches with D0OE-R heads using "stock OEM volume runners and valve sizes" and only a 780cfm carb went almost 9 flat in the 1/4 mile.

EDIT:  That was over some 4 years ago.

just by reading that if there wasnt any tricks going on there , thats impressive hell if it ran 10.00 it still be impressive

Just to give you an idea ... a low drag, 3 speed Pro Trans for Super Stock costs well over $6,000.00.  Most leading SS guys have 2 of them with a different 1st gear ratio for different tracks.

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Post  cletus66 on February 26th 2014, 5:51 pm

Being top dog in SS would require an amount of dedication that would leave me broke and divorced. I'm not gonna try it.... Laughing 


Plus, I ain't smart enough.
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Post  bbf-falcon on February 26th 2014, 6:01 pm

[quote="cletus66"]Being top dog in SS would require an amount of dedication that would leave me broke and divorced.   I'm not gonna try it.... Laughing 


Plus, I ain't smart enough.  [/quote

That makes 2 of us. Shocked 

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Post  David Cole on February 26th 2014, 6:02 pm

A friend of mine runs a 67 Fairlane in SS/D and E.  427 fe, 2X4, stick.  Car is super cool, but like most SS and really true of those in the upper classes....not for the faint of wallet.

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Current owners have had it since the early 80's but car has been a racer since new.  Was a factory/dealer sponsored car back in the day.

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Post  cletus66 on February 26th 2014, 6:08 pm

David Cole wrote:A friend of mine runs a 67 Fairlane in SS/D and E.  427 fe, 2X4, stick.  Car is super cool, but like most SS and really true of those in the upper classes....not for the faint of wallet.

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Super stock 2783d1259862022-stephen-johnson-his-67-ford-fairlane-fairlanelaunch

Current owners have had it since the early 80's but car has been a racer since new.  Was a factory/dealer sponsored car back in the day.

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Post  Lem Evans on February 26th 2014, 7:04 pm

I meet Van Cleve Jr at a Ford function last May.....he's a nice guy.

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 26th 2014, 7:36 pm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/organized_chrome/6176519852/

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 26th 2014, 7:37 pm

http://www.vancleveford.com/about.cfm

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Post  David Cole on February 26th 2014, 7:39 pm

LivermoreDave wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/organized_chrome/6176519852/

That's the sister car to the one my friend has. They had 2, one post and one hardtop.
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Post  LivermoreDave on February 26th 2014, 7:41 pm

..... and then there was this!

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-09-01/sports/9103050855_1_cajun-nationals-lori-johns-racing

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Post  LivermoreDave on February 26th 2014, 7:42 pm

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Post  Kens429 on February 27th 2014, 10:57 am

STR-LGL-70 wrote:I figured it would be pricey depending on which class entered. Reason I'm curious is my youngest posted on YB about DOOE-R heads & stirred the pot. Apparently the 385 ford is not really represented too well in this class. I've got a 71 F code manual trans project car in my back garage  and would like to upgrade my '70 from iron heads to maybe a set of C's. Maybe put the factory SCJ's in the 71'.

If the car isn't too cut up, I would look into Stock Eliminator.  It is a very good combination, that Vic Gulimino has run in the 10.40's and maybe quicker in D/SA.  I used to run a 71 Cougar with a 429CJ in E/SA back in the mid 90's, that had almost no tricks, and ran 11.30's.  In fact, if I had the time to travel to the NHRA races, I would build a stocker engine for our Falcon; with the 4-speed!  I think that the 4-speed combo has more potential, and you would not have to worry about someone else killing the combo by going way under the index, since you would be the only car in the country like it.  Charlie Evans has a lot of experience with stocker engines.  I would talk to him.  A 429 stocker engine is about 1/3 the price of a super stocker, with less maintenance. There is also an option for Edelbrock heads(Super Stock only), carries more horsepower, but reduced the weight on the nose a bunch.  Look at the NHRA classification guide to see where your car would exactly fit, but it should be a natural D/S.  In D/S the car would have to weigh 3543 with driver as a CJ(.500" hydraulic cam and Q-jet) and 3590 with driver as a SCJ (.515" solid cam and 780 Holley).  The D/S index is 11.50 and D/SA is 11.55.  That should be no problem with today's technology.

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