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Post  powerstrokeace on March 1st 2014, 12:49 am

OK i just got my new (BAD A** OAKLEY EVAN SPEC"D CAM) and it's drilled for dual cam pins. They did not include the 2nd pin. Next How am i to have the cam gear drilled for this.. I'm sure there a logical answer but sometimes i'm dumb as a box of rocks  What a Face 

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Post  Lem Evans on March 1st 2014, 12:09 pm

The cam was delivered as ordered. Phillip will send you a 4340 steel Danny Bee pin for the 2nd hole.

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Post  c.evans on March 1st 2014, 1:23 pm

As far as getting the cam gear drilled for the second pin,,,a really good top quality machine shop in your area should be able to do this for you. If you don't have one in your area, send the cam gear in to Lem and he'll get Jet Boat Bob to machine it for you. He has a fixture for doing this on the Bridgeport.

It is very important that the machine shop be precise in locating and sizing this second hole. If you have to wallow things out in order to make it fit,,,,then the second dowell pin becomes as useless as tits on a boar hog.

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Post  powerstrokeace on March 1st 2014, 1:30 pm

Thanks Charlie. guess i'll wait for Philip to send me the pin then ship it to Lem

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Post  c.evans on March 1st 2014, 1:44 pm

powerstrokeace wrote:Thanks Charlie. guess i'll wait for Philip to send me the pin then ship it to Lem

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Why? Why not save on shipping and go ahead and send your cam gear in, and then let the gear and second pin come back to you in one box?

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Post  c.evans on March 1st 2014, 2:09 pm

Ace,

More food for thought. Gary and J. J. Heber at Kearney Garage (303)333-7960 in Denver, CO should be able to do this, as they are BB Ford racers / engine builders.

Likewise Monte Green (970)774-6192 in Haxtun, CO is a BB Ford engine builder and racer. I know he can do it also.

I don't know how far you are from them, all I'm saying is the gear doesn't have to come here.

Hope this helps,

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Post  richter69 on March 1st 2014, 3:48 pm

Ive had comp as well as a local drill the gear for the 2nd pin, no big deal.... I had lem send me a few extra pins to have on hand for when the need comes up later down the road.

All Cammotion cams come drilled for dble pins and 7/16-20 bolts as a standard, comp chrages extra which is a bunch of bs on a big solid roller.
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Post  Lem Evans on March 3rd 2014, 11:53 am

powerstrokeace wrote:OK i just got my new (BAD A** OAKLEY EVAN SPEC"D CAM) and it's drilled for dual cam pins. They did not include the 2nd pin. Next How am i to have the cam gear drilled for this.. I'm sure there a logical answer but sometimes i'm dumb as a box of rocks  What a Face 

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Got a buddy with a lathe?
 
Turn one end of a 5/16" rod down to sharp point. Polish the other end so that It'll go in the pin hole with zero clearence.
 
Cut the rod so when install in the cam it'll be no more than 1/2" the lenght of the install pin.
 
Bolt the gear on the cam and tap with a hammer.
 
You should now have a witness mark of where the center of the hole needs to be.....carefully drill the hole.
 
If you have a transfer punch set you could cut one of them off rather than do the lathe work.

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Post  rmcomprandy on March 3rd 2014, 12:06 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
powerstrokeace wrote:OK i just got my new (BAD A** OAKLEY EVAN SPEC"D CAM) and it's drilled for dual cam pins. They did not include the 2nd pin. Next How am i to have the cam gear drilled for this.. I'm sure there a logical answer but sometimes i'm dumb as a box of rocks  What a Face 

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Got a buddy with a lathe?
 
Turn one end of a 5/16" rod down to sharp point. Polish the other end so that It'll go in the pin hole with zero clearence.
 
Cut the  rod so when install in the cam it'll be no more than 1/2" the lenght of the install pin.
 
Bolt the gear on the cam and tap with a hammer.
 
You should now have a witness mark of where the center of the hole needs to be.....carefully drill the hole.
 
If you have a transfer punch set you could cut one of them off rather than do the lathe work.


Bolt the gear for marking on the can snout "backwards" as the step in the gear makes it VERY tough to drill a straight hole without an end-mill and a bridgeport; although it CAN be done if starting with a small drill and working up to size.

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Re: New Cam Dual Dowel Pins?

Post  Lem Evans on March 3rd 2014, 9:04 pm

Cool...nice fixture  Smile 

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Post  powerstrokeace on March 3rd 2014, 11:31 pm

Lem Evans wrote:Cool...nice fixture  Smile 

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Post  powerstrokeace on March 11th 2014, 9:07 pm

Called 5 shops today and no luck. One was V. Gains pro stock shop and they said they don't ever double pin the pro stock motors....

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Post  cool40 on March 11th 2014, 9:14 pm

powerstrokeace wrote:Called 5 shops today and no luck. One was V. Gains pro stock shop and they said they don't ever double pin the pro stock motors....

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does he run a bbf?
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Post  dfree383 on March 11th 2014, 9:16 pm

powerstrokeace wrote:Called 5 shops today and no luck. One was V. Gains pro stock shop and they said they don't ever double pin the pro stock motors....

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Ask him how they are attached..... Have him send you a picture.
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Post  IDT-572 on March 11th 2014, 9:23 pm

Most likely got three bolts
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Post  cool40 on March 11th 2014, 9:52 pm

dfree383 wrote:
powerstrokeace wrote:Called 5 shops today and no luck. One was V. Gains pro stock shop and they said they don't ever double pin the pro stock motors....

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Ask him how they are attached..... Have him send you a picture.
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Re: New Cam Dual Dowel Pins?

Post  powerstrokeace on March 11th 2014, 10:47 pm

dfree383 wrote:
powerstrokeace wrote:Called 5 shops today and no luck. One was V. Gains pro stock shop and they said they don't ever double pin the pro stock motors....

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Ask him how they are attached..... Have him send you a picture.

I didn't even think of that

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Post  powerstrokeace on March 19th 2014, 4:46 pm

well after 3 weeks i have not found one single shop willing to perfrom this Evil or Very Mad 
May just be a single.......

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Re: New Cam Dual Dowel Pins?

Post  norm on March 19th 2014, 5:49 pm

There are no machine shops around you? Not engine machine shops, machinists. Bridgeport, lathes, surface grinders. Any machinist should be able to do this for you.
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Post  powerstrokeace on March 19th 2014, 6:09 pm

None of them are willing to make a special centering tool and charge me out the wazoo

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Post  Lem Evans on March 19th 2014, 6:27 pm

powerstrokeace wrote:None of them are willing to make a special centering tool and charge me out the wazoo

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call me two70 / 9 two 9 / 5295

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Post  Bret Powell on March 19th 2014, 9:25 pm

If your cam is drilled and tapped for 7/16-20 bolt, use a good hardened pin like Danny Bee sells and a nice used ARP2000 rod bolt, torque to 70# and don't sweat it.

If it's a 7/16-14 go here and buy an extreme strength... http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-cap-screws/=r62q0v

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Re: New Cam Dual Dowel Pins?

Post  powerstrokeace on March 20th 2014, 8:31 am

Talked with Lem last night and he has something in the works for me..


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Post  IDT-572 on March 20th 2014, 9:25 am

Bret Powell wrote:If your cam is drilled and tapped for 7/16-20 bolt, use a good hardened pin like Danny Bee sells and a nice used ARP2000 rod bolt, torque to 70# and don't sweat it.

If it's a 7/16-14 go here and buy an extreme strength... http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-cap-screws/=r62q0v

Good response,

But also add a heavy thick 5/16th thick minimum washer as big in diameter or close to the diameter of the end of the cam, or as large as possible. The clamping force is your major securing effort not the pin.

I use a small chevy harmonic balancer washer alot.
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