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Post  bbfstanger on May 11th 2014, 11:29 pm

i know about the old style fms intake, did ford make any varyations?
the newer style tfs intake , seen a ex514 single four , was curious if its any better then the other two?
is there any others out there?
anyone done any dyno testing they would care to share?

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Post  rmcomprandy on May 12th 2014, 12:14 am

bbfstanger wrote:i know about the old style fms intake, did ford make any varyations?
the newer style tfs intake , seen a ex514 single four , was curious if its any better then the other two?
is there any others out there?
anyone done any dyno testing they would care to share?

There are 2 different TFS manifolds after the FMS manifold. One has a flattened floor and one has a rounded, pent-roof type floor.

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Post  dfree383 on May 12th 2014, 12:37 am

Ex514 made an intake too
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Post  powerstrokeace on May 12th 2014, 12:55 am

dfree383 wrote:Ex514 made an intake too
Was this not a copy of the TFS? I don't know as i have never seen one for sure.

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Post  rmcomprandy on May 12th 2014, 10:04 am

powerstrokeace wrote:
dfree383 wrote:Ex514 made an intake too
Was this not a copy of the TFS? I don't know as i have never seen one for sure.

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NO ... the original EX514 was actually made using a FMS "C" manifold design as a model.

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Post  bbfstanger on May 12th 2014, 12:52 pm

is the ex514 any better randy?
i seen one forsale recently and it did look different from the old fms A style int.
currently have the old fms intake,its getting ported ,the plenum and runner openings are much smaller than the runners. after an inch or two past the opening they open up .
ill post some before and after no. in a week or two when its done.

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Post  cool40 on May 12th 2014, 1:12 pm

I have a ex514 and its what i'd call in between the old fms and tfs.I think that ex514 had a few changes over the years too.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 12th 2014, 6:01 pm

bbfstanger wrote:is the ex514 any better randy?
i seen one forsale recently and it did look different from the old fms

Sometimes and sometime not ... cubic inch, RPM range cylinder head characteristics, vehicle, etc. all make a difference as to what will work the best "FOR YOU" in that situation.

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Post  Lem Evans on May 12th 2014, 6:32 pm

"anyone done any dyno testing they would care to share?"

I've been there twice....the 'new' TFS manifold was better @ and above 6,000 rpm than the low profile tfs/ford motorsports intake.

One was a 557" [4.440" X 4.500"] and the other was a 554" [4.530" X 4.300"].....hope this helps.

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Post  bbfstanger on May 13th 2014, 11:19 pm

thanks for all the replys fella's.
i havent seen any of the ex514 intakes run on any combo's, maybe that says something lol!
im going to dyno my combo when its done and would like to try a couple different intakes to see what the difference's are.


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Post  rmcomprandy on May 14th 2014, 8:53 am

bbfstanger wrote:thanks for all the replys fella's.
i havent seen any of the ex514 intakes run on any combo's, maybe that says something lol!
im going to dyno my combo when its done and would like to try a couple different intakes to see what the difference's are.


What it says is that there were not very many of them manufactured. They were targeted for 470 to 514 cubic inch engines.

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Post  torino501 on May 14th 2014, 12:30 pm

Lem Evans wrote:"anyone done any dyno testing they would care to share?"

I've been there twice....the 'new' TFS manifold was better @ and above 6,000 rpm than the low profile tfs/ford motorsports intake.

One was a 557" [4.440" X 4.500"] and the other was a 554" [4.530" X 4.300"].....hope this helps.  
did the older small runner intake perform better below 6k?

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Post  bbfstanger on May 14th 2014, 12:48 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
bbfstanger wrote:thanks for all the replys fella's.
i havent seen any of the ex514 intakes run on any combo's, maybe that says something lol!
im going to dyno my combo when its done and would like to try a couple different intakes to see what the difference's are.


What it says is that there were not very many of them manufactured.  They were targeted for 470 to 514 cubic inch engines.

great info to know randy,i was hoping the port would be a little bigger since it was based off the c460design.

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Post  rmcomprandy on May 14th 2014, 3:06 pm

bbfstanger wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
bbfstanger wrote:thanks for all the replys fella's.
i havent seen any of the ex514 intakes run on any combo's, maybe that says something lol!
im going to dyno my combo when its done and would like to try a couple different intakes to see what the difference's are.


What it says is that there were not very many of them manufactured.  They were targeted for 470 to 514 cubic inch engines.

great info to know randy, i was hoping the port would be a little bigger since it was based off the c460design.


Have you visually seen the inside runners of a FMS "C" manifold...?  The TFS "A460 manifold runners" are not any smaller and are sure taller at the plenum with a lot more taper.
Now, the B460 manifold for the FMS "B" heads are the smallest runners which will fit an "A" head.

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Post  Copperhead on May 14th 2014, 4:13 pm

torino501 wrote:
Lem Evans wrote:"anyone done any dyno testing they would care to share?"

I've been there twice....the 'new' TFS manifold was better @ and above 6,000 rpm than the low profile tfs/ford motorsports intake.

One was a 557" [4.440" X 4.500"] and the other was a 554" [4.530" X 4.300"].....hope this helps.  
did the older small runner intake perform better below 6k?


I'm pretty sure the 557 that Lem was referring to, was mine (that I purchased from Seth Hembree in Michigan).

SO,....
With that being said,.......the larger intake made more peak power (854hp VS 838hp), but lost around 6ft lbs or torque. If I remember correctly, the smaller intake had a much better (flatter) torque curve. You have to keep in mind, this particular engine was going to see more street duty than strip, hence the smaller manifold was better suited for the application.



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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  Lem Evans on May 14th 2014, 5:33 pm

"keep in mind, this particular engine was going to see more street duty than strip, hence the smaller manifold was better suited for the application."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well put. Due to the small 264* @ .050" cam & the flat pistons the 557" engine peaked hp at 6,300 rpm so the smaller manifold was a good fit for Seth's package.

A 284* cam, 14.5/1 piston and peak power ~7,000 RPM the value of the new manifold would have been much greater.


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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  bbfstanger on May 14th 2014, 7:57 pm

it has been awhile since i had hands on a c460 intake and i honestly didnt look at it too close. it would be interesting to see a side by side.
you dont happpen to have any pics?
guess i was assuming the c stuff had larger ports.

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Post  cool40 on May 14th 2014, 11:43 pm

this is the ex514 intake i have the last pic is the old fms i ran first.i did change to the ex514 intake but didn't see any change at the track. sorry i dont have better pics to compare the two.
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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  cool40 on May 15th 2014, 12:04 am

this is the ex514 after i ran it.i have it,the old fms and a new tfs i'll try and get a pic of them all together to compare!  Idea 
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Post  69F100 on May 15th 2014, 12:07 am

cool40 wrote: this is the ex514 after i ran it.i have it,the old fms and a new tfs i'll try and get a pic of them all together to compare!  Idea 

Send me that tolit you don't need it  Laughing 
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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  cool40 on May 15th 2014, 12:15 am

it didn't even belong to me! it was enough to make me an alcoholic...... Shocked 
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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  bbfstanger on May 15th 2014, 8:20 am

do you have a shot of the plenum?

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Post  torino501 on May 15th 2014, 9:43 am

There's one for sale at 460ford.com w pics... Looks butchered up to me though(ported)

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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  torino501 on May 15th 2014, 9:46 am

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Re: how many diff intakes for A460 single 4

Post  cool40 on May 15th 2014, 7:41 pm

fms,ex514,tfs in that order. i never have ran any on a dyno but i'd think the ex would work somewhere between the other two.....  cyclops 
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