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Post  jones on June 20th 2014, 6:12 pm

What do we have available in this style of intake for the 385 series and what is it best suited for?
What do you call this type of intake?
I'm interested in this type of intake except using EFI. Using the replacement weber 45mm DCOE valve bodies.




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Post  dfree383 on June 20th 2014, 6:16 pm

Blue thunder makes a weber / IR fuel injection manifold for 385's
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Post  jones on June 20th 2014, 6:27 pm

My brother has realy been pushing me to efi on my show truck build. I've been wanting to find something out of the norm that you don't really see around these days.

What was good about these intakes?

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Post  dfree383 on June 20th 2014, 6:45 pm

They look cool that's about it....they are a pita and expensive other wise.
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Post  jones on June 20th 2014, 7:01 pm

dfree383 wrote:They look cool that's about it....they are a pita and expensive other wise.

I'm sure the original weber style is a pain in the butt to keep in tune. I wonder how they act when they are changed over to efi?

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Post  jasonf on June 21st 2014, 1:07 am

Here is what you are thinking about. Just  bring cash.... and lots of it. I went for a tour last year and their stuff is very nice. They also had a pallet of 427 sohc head for machining.  Shocked 

http://www.eightstack.com/289%20302%20347%20Systems.html

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Post  jasonf on June 21st 2014, 1:11 am

Some other info from a previous thread.

http://www.429-460.com/t13509-kinsler-stack-efi
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Re: Educate me on this style of intake

Post  SandHillsHillbilly on June 21st 2014, 3:40 am

I recently talked to a tech with Borla Injection (they bought TWM induction).
They offer a complete ready to go system for the 460. Yes you will need to stack bills as high as the intake to afford it.
http://www.borlainduction.com/200079-v8-kit-ford-460-35mm-air-horn.html

While there I took a close look at the cross ram intake for the Windsor. This thing is very adaptable. The valley cover and intake flanges are a cast piece just like if you cut the runners and plenum off a single plane intake. The runners are individual cast pieces that bolt to the intake flange from the gasket side. In talking with the tech it would entail new rails and linkage to adapt to a 460 but definitely doable. Create some interest and they will do it. As it stands now it would only be as a custom basis. This is the only cross ram I know that would exist for the 385 series.
http://www.borlainduction.com/200064-v8-kit-ford-351w-cross-ram-60mm-air-horn.html
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Post  cletus66 on June 21st 2014, 1:50 pm

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Post  jones on June 21st 2014, 6:15 pm

This was the setup I was actually looking at if I did do something like that. Just have to find the manifold.


http://foxinjection.com/index.html



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Post  jones on June 21st 2014, 6:20 pm

SandHillsHillbilly wrote:

While there I took a close look at the cross ram intake for the Windsor. This thing is very adaptable. The valley cover and intake flanges are a cast piece just like if you cut the runners and plenum off a single plane intake. The runners are individual cast pieces that bolt to the intake flange from the gasket side. In talking with the tech it would entail new rails and linkage to adapt to a 460 but definitely doable. Create some interest and they will do it. As it stands now it would only be as a custom basis. This is the only cross ram I know that would exist for the 385 series.
http://www.borlainduction.com/200064-v8-kit-ford-351w-cross-ram-60mm-air-horn.html

This would look awesome!

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Post  GaryS on July 6th 2014, 3:57 pm

Weber/Inglese/Fast/CompCams



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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on July 6th 2014, 9:36 pm

GaryS wrote:Weber/Inglese/Fast/CompCams




Well that answers that question. There is enough distance between rails to plumb a regulator but with a distributor stuffed in there there is no room.

Trying to minimize the number of lines from fender well to intake.
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Post  GaryS on July 7th 2014, 8:19 am

As delivered by CompCams with fuel rails dead heading into the distributor.  I flipped the throttle bodies so the fuel rails clear the distributor.  Now I can plumb return to tank lines.  CompCams advertises and brags about the neat appearance of their fuel rails being clean and hidden between the throttle bodies.  They would not help we with the distributor clearance issue.  The intake is for Weber carbs and has no vacuum port to support MAP or IAC.  I plumbed vacuum lines from each runner to a central point to facilitate MAP and IAC.  A fuel composition sensor will be plumbed down stream to make this engine flex fuel.  It is setup for E85 but can use 87 octane as a spare tire to get home.







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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on July 7th 2014, 2:36 pm

That is close. I am concerned about turning the TBs around. The injector is now pointed away from the port.
I have seen some close fitting billet 90 degree fittings that may help the situation so you can run the rails inside.

It would mean tying the fronts end of the rails together and feeding one end and using a regulator on the end of the other rail. Not the best but better than the injectors pointing away from port.
http://www.foreinnovations.com/category_s/397.htm
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Post  GaryS on July 7th 2014, 6:34 pm

I've considered the miss direction and it is a good point. The fuel rail has a plug in the end and Comp ground the end of the plug in a attempt to get more clearance. It does clear the cap but pinches the spark plug wire boot. Comp said to dead head the fuel system. I considered attaching a by-pass hose to connect the two rails but it would have to be in between the injectors. I also consider this a problem for any individual runner intake for 385 motors. Considered eliminating the distributor, lowering the distributor or spacers under the throttle bodies.
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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on July 7th 2014, 6:50 pm

I Yeah ditch the distributor. Go with a 36-1 crank sensor and a cam sensor from Price Motorsport.
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