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Post  quick 52 on July 9th 2014, 7:39 pm

Went to the track 6-28 with my new converter first pass it let go... At first I thought I broke the input shaft or drum a weak area in the 700r4 but when inspected the trans was all intact... It was contaminated with metal and also larger metal pieces... Contacted Michael with Freak show performance he said to send it back and he would fix it but I lost my trans... Not sure if just cleaning and new bushing and seals or step up and do clutches,band, sprag and rebuild pump would be fresh

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Post  whitefield on July 9th 2014, 7:58 pm

quick 52 wrote:Went to the track 6-28 with my new converter first pass it let go... At first I thought I broke the input shaft or drum a weak area in the 700r4 but when inspected the trans was all intact... It was contaminated with metal and also larger metal pieces... Contacted Michael with Freak show performance he said to send it back and he would fix it but I lost my trans... Not sure if just cleaning and new bushing and seals or step up and do clutches,band, sprag and rebuild pump would be fresh

Rebuild and flush the cooler really good ! Fix it now or regret that you didn't later.
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Post  richter69 on July 9th 2014, 10:37 pm

You get what you pay for.
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Post  dfree383 on July 10th 2014, 2:04 am

Why are you running a 700r4???????
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Post  whatbumper on July 10th 2014, 8:43 am

dfree383 wrote:Why are you running a 700r4???????

Thats what we said.

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Post  whatbumper on July 10th 2014, 8:45 am

richter69 wrote:You get what you pay for.

I usually agree with you but this time you're talking out your ass. Its a combo thats doomed to fail. We only supplied him with what he wanted.

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Post  richter69 on July 10th 2014, 10:20 am

I had a buddy here that bought one of his converters two weeks ago that thing was so far off it wasnt funny, put his old converter in and it'll get out of its own way at least.

If what you say is true then my statement is correct. If guys want cheap converters I tell un to call Jegs or Summit.
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Post  whatbumper on July 10th 2014, 12:05 pm

richter69 wrote:I had a buddy here that bought one of his converters two weeks ago that thing was so far off it wasnt funny, put his old converter in and it'll get out of its own way at least.

If what you say is true then my statement is correct. If guys want cheap converters I tell un to call Jegs or Summit.

that makes sense. The companies that make the converters for them use a bunch of stock parts just like most other torque converter companies it's just that they produce so many that quality control is a little looser.   Our X275, Pro-mod, and top sportsman customers will tell you that not everything is junk.  Stuff happens, parts break.  Sometimes it's our parts, sometimes it's bad materials, sometimes it's application.  Ask Shane Fisher if our stuff works.  He ran one of our glides after his broke, not builders issue but a parts failure, at the Denton X275 race two weeks ago and loved it.

But I guess you're correct on the price here since it didn't cost anything. I'm curious what the input drum looks like.

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Post  cool40 on July 10th 2014, 3:28 pm

I agree parts are made to fail from time to time. Its impossible to talk to someone on the phone about a specific combo and build a converter that works like he wants it to.when i hear folks say "my converter guy got it first try"I know they got lucky or dont know the difference. ...  Rolling Eyes 
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Post  richter69 on July 10th 2014, 6:44 pm

Guess Im a lucky bastard lol.
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Post  whitefield on July 10th 2014, 10:40 pm

richter69 wrote:Guess Im a lucky bastard lol.

Yes you are  lol! 
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Post  cool40 on July 10th 2014, 11:49 pm

richter69 wrote:Guess Im a lucky bastard lol.
you're half right!  Razz 
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Post  85bigblockfox on July 11th 2014, 10:24 am

Guess Im lucky too. Lenny got mine right the first time all done over the phone/email.
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Post  whatbumper on July 11th 2014, 11:03 am

85bigblockfox wrote:Guess Im lucky too. Lenny got mine right the first time all done over the phone/email.

I don't think you guys are getting the point here. It doesn't have anything to do with getting it right or not. Heck, I've run ATI, UCC, PTC, and Protorque in our rides over the years. Sometimes they're "right" and sometimes they're not. We ship out a bunch every day all over the world and when you do that there is a chance that the combo wasn't communicated correctly which is sometimes the customers fault and sometimes the builders fault. What we do differently than some is correct the converter. Michael's biggest issue is falling for the I have a big race this weekend and needing a quick adjustment but don't have time to send theirs in type of deal. He's been burnt multiple times like that. Or the I have a grudge car with one small gun on a 706 and then we hear it's too loose what the heck, so we go check out the car and it has three big guns on it. I thought it had a small kit and we hear we can't tell you everything because you might tell someone we're racing. It's hard to help some situations but I tell you this I have a "big name" converter on the shelf that stalled 3500 rpm over what we wanted and the company wanted to charge us for fixing it when we supplied dyno sheets and all applicable information and it came out of the box, went in the car, and back in the box the same day. This was 1 day after getting it from the company so it's not like it was sitting for a year or something. I'm waiting to sell it used to a customer when I feel like their combo matches and take a hit before I pay the company to "fix" it. Especially after being called a liar on the phone by a sales person about the combo.

So, choose Mikes stuff or go somewhere else but be happy with the service you get.

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Post  whitefield on July 11th 2014, 11:24 am

whatbumper wrote:
85bigblockfox wrote:Guess Im lucky too. Lenny got mine right the first time all done over the phone/email.

I don't think you guys are getting the point here.  It doesn't have anything to do with getting it right or not.  Heck, I've run ATI, UCC, PTC, and Protorque in our rides over the years.  Sometimes they're "right" and sometimes they're not.  We ship out a bunch every day all over the world and when you do that there is a chance that the combo wasn't communicated correctly which is sometimes the customers fault and sometimes the builders fault.  What we do differently than some is correct the converter.  Michael's biggest issue is falling for the I have a big race this weekend and needing a quick adjustment but don't have time to send theirs in type of deal.  He's been burnt multiple times like that.  Or the I have a grudge car with one small gun on a 706 and then we hear it's too loose what the heck, so we go check out the car and it has three big guns on it.  I thought it had a small kit and we hear we can't tell you everything because you might tell someone we're racing.  It's hard to help some situations but I tell you this I have a "big name" converter on the shelf that stalled 3500 rpm over what we wanted and the company wanted to charge us for fixing it when we supplied dyno sheets and all applicable information and it came out of the box, went in the car, and back in the box the same day.  This was 1 day after getting it from the company so it's not like it was sitting for a year or something.  I'm waiting to sell it used to a customer when I feel like their combo matches and take a hit before I pay the company to "fix" it.  Especially after being called a liar on the phone by a sales person about the combo.  

So, choose Mikes stuff or go somewhere else but be happy with the service you get.


Hey,I would not get bent out of shape over it. Take care of the ones that take care of you. There is always someone wanting a perfect part or work done and then complain . Then you have the ones who want it for free
, or cheap and still complain . People,complaining is part of working for the public.

Good customers will always take care of you !
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Post  cool40 on July 11th 2014, 11:45 am

Anybody who thinks their tuneup,chassis, converter etc can't be improved aint a drag racer!
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Post  whatbumper on July 11th 2014, 3:54 pm

cool40 wrote:Anybody who thinks their tuneup,chassis, converter etc can't be improved aint a drag racer!

my shelf can show you that. LOL

Heck my personal converter is in an X car in Tulsa right now to see if it works better in a customers car so we all know how tweaking a combo can be.

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Post  richter69 on July 12th 2014, 9:21 am

Looks like the OP isnt alone, another one bites the dust.
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Post  whatbumper on July 12th 2014, 10:22 am

richter69 wrote:Looks like the OP isnt alone, another one bites the dust.

Pm me the info.

We had an ATI billet lockup deal come apart last night too in a customers car. I guess stuff breaks. Or its a junky combo. Lol

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Post  richter69 on July 12th 2014, 10:39 am

Michael Whitson

Also my buddy Ben Head cant get your converter guy to call him back.
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Post  whatbumper on July 12th 2014, 10:54 am

(325) 701-7830. I just called him. He has never got a call from your buddy. Tell him to try again. If yoy talked to anyone about this deal you know he answers and calls back at all times day or night.

And im pretty sure I said to pm me.

richter69 wrote:Michael Whitson

Also my buddy Ben Head cant get your converter guy to call him back.


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Post  mstngfreak on July 12th 2014, 11:39 am

UCC FTW!!! Ive seen several converters work out of the box for a bit..in 10 sec cars and 6/7sec cars.....it comes down to knowing your car giving specifics on your build knowing what your build can do realistically (not what u dream it'll do)


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Post  mstngfreak on July 12th 2014, 11:45 am

UCC FTW!!! Ive seen several converters work out of the box for a bit....in 10 sec cars and 6/7sec...it comes down to knowing your car giving specifics on your build knowing what your build can do realistically (not what u dream it'll do)

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Post  whatbumper on July 12th 2014, 10:11 pm

mstngfreak wrote:UCC FTW!!! Ive seen several converters work out of the box for a bit....in 10 sec cars and 6/7sec...it comes down to knowing your car giving specifics on your build knowing what your build can do realistically (not what u dream it'll do)

All good points. We've rebuilt some of Lenny's stuff and it's real nice. We have multiple customers with his converters and they've all been really close I'll give you that so he knows his stuff. We use PTC on all our high end stuff and Lane treats us right too.

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Post  quick 52 on July 13th 2014, 10:03 am

dfree383 wrote:Why are you running a 700r4???????
Why not the trans has been performing well for 4 years and hundreds of passes... Not everyone runs a high HP I'm at 470hp and spray 125hp when the track lets us go no bar under 11.50... I'm not bad mouthing Freakshow I know things break while racing just pissed its happen... Will get the converter back to Freakshow this week.. And order parts to freshen the trans... I'm using my old converter and trans for now

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