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Post  BigBlockRanger on October 23rd 2014, 10:13 am

Am I correct in assuming this is a procomp part? Dual bolt patterns (4150 and Dom?), injector bungs and some weirdo extra threaded bosses on either side of the carb pad. Mounting holes all seem to be slotted as well. Strange.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-429-460-Shootout-4150-Cobra-Jet-Ports-High-Rise-Intake-Manifold-Satin-/291274907164?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43d1565e1c&vxp=mtr



Skip White.... must be PC stuff.
http://shop.whiteperformance.com/FORD-460-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-460-TOCOK.htm
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Post  bbf-falcon on October 23rd 2014, 10:55 am

If it looks as good on the inside as the out, I would buy it for sure.

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Post  dfree383 on October 23rd 2014, 5:09 pm

Looks like a pretty crappy rip off of a eddy victor....... Thank you procrap.

A least you could have taken the time to upgrade it........ How about some effort to make progress?????

More rice in the china mans bowl please......
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Post  bbf-falcon on October 23rd 2014, 7:58 pm

Dave, what is it that looks so crappy about it Question

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Post  richter69 on October 23rd 2014, 10:54 pm

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Post  richter69 on October 23rd 2014, 10:56 pm

I have a sbf knockoff victor, its pretty rough and weighs a ton, also needed a lot of cleaning up on the inside.

I didnt buy it its one of my brothers deals hes gonna let me use on the 331 so I cant really bitch about it too much.
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Post  dfree383 on October 23rd 2014, 11:04 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:Dave, what is it that looks so crappy about it Question

If you're going to spend the time ripping other manufactures shit off..... Take a few minutes to make the damn thing better...... Why turn out junk? For the love of Pete...... How much more time does it take to make something worth while..... Than just making another copy of something in a sea of the same parts !!!!!!

And no I'm not going to elaborate on where the faults are.... Screw them!
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Post  BigBlockRanger on October 23rd 2014, 11:41 pm

I like that they added injector bungs to it.

What are the additional bosses on either side of the carb pad for? They look like they would be under the carb bowls.
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Post  bbf-falcon on October 23rd 2014, 11:53 pm

dfree383 wrote:
bbf-falcon wrote:Dave, what is it that looks so crappy about it Question

If you're going to spend the time ripping other manufactures shit off..... Take a few minutes to make the damn thing better...... Why turn out junk? For the love of Pete...... How much more time does it take to make something worth while..... Than just making another copy of something in a sea of the same parts !!!!!!

And no I'm not going to elaborate on where the faults are.... Screw them!

Well,here's my 2cents worth whether you agree or not that's ok too. But, there's a lot of guy's out here that don't really give a shit about how it performs. They are on a limited budget and just want a nice looking head/intake etc. on their show/race/or cruiser. The ProComp stuff is not up too snuff on the perf. end and I think we all agree on that,BUT,i don't think it was ever intended to be. Their parts have a nice casting and will SHOW well. Their prices are drastically lower than the higher end models such as Edelbrock,TrickFlow,etc. And who knows w/o looking closer at this intake ,don't be so closed minded on shit Dave,maybe it's not for you,but we all don't think alike and I'm all for that.

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Post  Gregaust on October 24th 2014, 5:38 am

You know I really hate the whole Procomp knockoff , and refuse to buy any of their junk, that manifold doesn't look too bad if it does fit . Likely as suggested for the street would work quite adequate for a lot of guys .

BUT I see they are doing cast aluminium pans for C4's , I looked at them at SEMA last year and they looked preety good , as good as others i have bought and are 1/2 the price of any that I can get here . Surely they couldn't screw up a trans pan ????

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Post  the Coug on October 24th 2014, 7:06 am

Rick if they can't afford to do this hobby then WHY in the world even try?
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Post  cool40 on October 24th 2014, 9:12 am

Lot of folks cant start out on top....
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Post  dfree383 on October 24th 2014, 9:27 am

the Coug wrote:Rick if they can't afford to do this hobby then WHY in the world even try?

X2 plenty of good used parts in the market if you're on a budget. And if you are down to few hundred bucks making a difference on a go or no go for a build, You need to reconsider the hobby you have and your life priorities because your in over your head.

And keep in mind the bigger share if the market this junk takes it shrinks the market for the companies spending the money on development and making things better.... Eventually your not going to get anything.

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Post  BigBlockRanger on October 24th 2014, 9:47 am

I didn't intend to start a pissin' match.

Looks like Procomp has rebranded into Speedmaster. I am very surprised by the sheer number of parts they make.

They also have a dual quad/blower lower intake for a 460 with injector bungs, but strangely do not list a 460 cylinder head.


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Post  bbf-falcon on October 24th 2014, 11:25 am

the Coug wrote:Rick if they can't afford to do this hobby then WHY in the world even try?

Really Rolling Eyes

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Post  460pulling on October 24th 2014, 11:56 am

It amazes me how some on here expect people to spend $XXX,XXX amount of money on stuff. If it works who really cares where is it made? And if a guy wants to race with a 460 and only spend money on cheap stuff but has fun doing it good for him.

It doesn't make a persons car/ engine any better or worse than anyone else's car.

Also why buy a "USED" hogged out and dirty victor intake for a street car/ show car when you could buy a new one cheaper. and get the same results.

Not everyone is putting there engine in a drag car or racing it in any fashion.

Scat, eagle, lunati, prw, ohio crank, etc. are all made in CHINA. And I bet all 80% of the people on here have used a part from one of these manufacturers. And I bet they loved the price and quality compared to others prices and the same quality.

Just saying that not everyone wants the same as the next and not everyone has unlimited funds. The original poster was looking for feedback and info on this.

Should change the name to www.429-460DRAGRACINGFORUM.com lol Very Happy

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Post  dfree383 on October 24th 2014, 12:20 pm

460pulling wrote:It amazes me how some on here expect people to spend $XXX,XXX amount of money on stuff. If it works who really cares where is it made? And if a guy wants to race with a 460 and only spend money on cheap stuff but has fun doing it good for him.

It doesn't make a persons car/ engine any better or worse than anyone else's car.

Also why buy a "USED" hogged out and dirty victor intake for a street car/ show car when you could buy a new one cheaper. and get the same results.

Not everyone is putting there engine in a drag car or racing it in any fashion.

Scat, eagle, lunati, prw, ohio crank, etc. are all made in CHINA. And I bet all 80% of the people on here have used a part from one of these manufacturers. And I bet they loved the price and quality compared to others prices and the same quality.

Just saying that not everyone wants the same as the next and not everyone has unlimited funds. The original poster was looking for feedback and info on this.

Should change the name to www.429-460DRAGRACINGFORUM.com lol Very Happy
first you do understand that it costs money to develop and build things right? And those companies that stick their neck out to bring you new and better stuff need to make some money to keep that cycle of new and better rolling....... It's not the parts coming from china that's the problem..... It's the assholes like procomp ripping crap off that's the problem......and people buying this crap is killing the industry.
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Post  richter69 on October 24th 2014, 12:21 pm

How much is the intake?
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Post  dfree383 on October 24th 2014, 12:23 pm

richter69 wrote:How much is the intake?

They use fleabay to attempt to see where the market price should be. Follow the auctions on the parts.
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Post  BigBlockRanger on October 24th 2014, 1:34 pm

dfree383 wrote:And those companies that stick their neck out to bring you new and better stuff need to make some money to keep that cycle of new and better rolling.......

It's been my observation that when it comes to "new and better" Edelbrock could care less about the BBF.  

Hell, the only EFI capable intake they offer for the BBF is based off a figgin' Torker II.
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Post  cool40 on October 24th 2014, 1:52 pm

dfree383 wrote:
460pulling wrote:It amazes me how some on here expect people to spend $XXX,XXX amount of money on stuff. If it works who really cares where is it made? And if a guy wants to race with a 460 and only spend money on cheap stuff but has fun doing it good for him.

It doesn't make a persons car/ engine any better or worse than anyone else's car.

Also why buy a "USED" hogged out and dirty victor intake for a street car/ show car when you could buy a new one cheaper. and get the same results.

Not everyone is putting there engine in a drag car or racing it in any fashion.

Scat, eagle, lunati, prw, ohio crank, etc. are all made in CHINA. And I bet all 80% of the people on here have used a part from one of these manufacturers. And I bet they loved the price and quality compared to others prices and the same quality.

Just saying that not everyone wants the same as the next and not everyone has unlimited funds. The original poster was looking for feedback and info on this.

Should change the name to www.429-460DRAGRACINGFORUM.com lol Very Happy
first you do understand that it costs money to develop and build things right? And those companies that stick their neck out to bring you new and better stuff need to make some money to keep that cycle of new and better rolling....... It's not the parts coming from china that's the problem..... It's the assholes like procomp ripping crap off that's the problem......and people buying this crap is killing the industry.  
what did they rip off? The intake manifold that looks like a victor? Laughing the heads that look like ford heads? Hell i guess who ever builds it first gets ripped off when somebody else builds one. Rolling Eyes the market for low buck junk is always strong,look at the auto industry!
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Post  kim on October 24th 2014, 2:04 pm

Little to do with the argument for or against copy parts.  It is ironic though that the founder of the brand was all but run out of town for his low cost product and intent to market to the masses.   At the time of implementing the Ford Motor Company.  Automobiles, or horseless carriages were for the rich and elite only.  The chasis were assembled and sold then the owner contracted one of several guild approved coach builders to put the body on the car.

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Post  dfree383 on October 24th 2014, 2:11 pm

BigBlockRanger wrote:
dfree383 wrote:And those companies that stick their neck out to bring you new and better stuff need to make some money to keep that cycle of new and better rolling.......

It's been my observation that when it comes to "new and better" Edelbrock could care less about the BBF.  

Hell, the only EFI capable intake they offer for the BBF is based off a figgin' Torker II.

And it works..... And it correctly machined for injectors, and it's offered as a package with all the parts you need to make it damn near a bolt on....

I know better than to argue this shit on the internet....... All most people care about is price price price..... Cheaper is better..... Why should I pay more...... I don't care that is a piece of crap..... It's cheaper..... Rolling Eyes

I will concied that a lot of the industry companies are not what the used to be..... The recent wave of mergers, bankruptcies and acquisitions have pretty much doomed the industry to Wall Street standards...... Not a love for the sport.

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Post  dfree383 on October 24th 2014, 2:16 pm

kim wrote:Little to do with the argument for or against copy parts.  It is ironic though that the founder of the brand was all but run out of town for his low cost product and intent to market to the masses.   At the time of implementing the Ford Motor Company.  Automobiles, or horseless carriages were for the rich and elite only.  The chasis were assembled and sold then the owner contracted one of several guild approved coach builders to put the body on the car.

Interesting comparison..... But a little different IMO. All procrap is is a scumbag middle man that copies and does nothing but push junk. At least Henry Ford developed a lot of innovative industry leading things...... Assembly lines...... Manufacturing techniques..... Mass production to make things accessible to the masses....
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Post  Carl on October 24th 2014, 3:42 pm

Want to know why there isn't a decent low rise single plane dual quad intake for the 429/460?

Crap like this, that's why.  I was all set to lay down the money to make it happen, then Procomp started popping out that turd-ball of a dual quad they sell. Completely destroyed the market.

How many other products have never been developed because of crap like this?  I know of several other 429/460 ventures that were scrapped because of the likelihood that they'd be copied like this.  Copyright is a foreign concept to those people....like they don't even have a word for it.  I've tried to negotiate with them, and it's a deer in the headlights look when you try to discuss exclusive rights.  The "china connection" has decimated grass-roots innovation in this country.  Want a cheap intake?  Buy some metal and weld one up for yourself, it'll almost certainly be better than any of the POS rip-offs being sold.

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