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Post  Barney on November 30th 2014, 11:53 pm

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the Coug wrote:The Question that just baffles the Sh*t out of me is why the F^$K did they make all these sorry A$$ aluminum heads when the Doves are so Freakin much better? so why not just Pay somebody to do 200+ hours of port work so you can run some Heavy a$$ed Iron heads?
With EQUAL preparation the Eddy's will be WAY on top.

Comparing the performance level of a completely ported and prepared D0VE head to an "out of the box" Edelbrock is really kind of preposterous.   Question

that wasn't the question.
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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 1st 2014, 10:08 am

Ported DOVES FTW!!!
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Post  jones on December 1st 2014, 10:27 am

Barney wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
the Coug wrote:The Question that just baffles the Sh*t out of me is why the F^$K did they make all these sorry A$$ aluminum heads when the Doves are so Freakin much better? so why not just Pay somebody to do 200+ hours of port work so you can run some Heavy a$$ed Iron heads?
With EQUAL preparation the Eddy's will be WAY on top.

Comparing the performance level of a completely ported and prepared D0VE head to an "out of the box" Edelbrock is really kind of preposterous.   Question

that wasn't the question.

Barney, I don't see where it doesn't apply to his question. He didn't mention his budget but if he has enough money to drop on a set of Edlebrock cylinder heads I think it would be to his advantage to go with the Edlebrock cylinder heads. Rather than investing money into a set of Iron cylinder heads only to want a set of aluminum heads down the road. Everyone I know that has the opportunity to run aluminum heads will eventually wish they had.

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Post  DaveMcLain on December 1st 2014, 1:35 pm

About 10 years ago we did some testing here in our shop on a 11:1 compression 557. The engine was making 670 horsepower with a home ported set of large valve DOVE-C heads. Switching to a set of out of the box Edelbrock heads gained 30 horsepower and put the output right at 700.


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Post  Barney on December 1st 2014, 3:10 pm

I can think of better ways to gain 30 hp and spend 2k. You give me a set of D0VES and a few days and I'll outrun a set of eddys. But I'm only speaking for myself. It's your choice I suppose.
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Post  BOSS 429 on December 1st 2014, 8:09 pm

DaveMcLain wrote:About 10 years ago we did some testing here in our shop on a 11:1 compression 557.  The engine was making 670 horsepower with a home ported set of large valve DOVE-C heads.  Switching to a set of out of the box Edelbrock heads gained 30 horsepower and put the output right at 700.



whats wrong with building a dove head?

sure a eddy will help et out of the box,.....IT TAKES ABOUT 75LBS OF THE FRONT OF THE CAR.

508ci  dove head, made over 700hp  w/ 4150 carb no nos
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Post  BOSS 429 on December 1st 2014, 8:11 pm

NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also
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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 1st 2014, 9:30 pm

BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also


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Post  BOSS 429 on December 1st 2014, 9:49 pm

yellowhorse7 wrote:
BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also


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lol lol lol




well ,with that /\ said let me ask this, Whats the best et anyone has ran with an eddy head @ under 510 ci in a 3200 lbs car with 1 carb,and no power adder ?
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Post  the Coug on December 1st 2014, 10:28 pm

so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
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Post  BOSS 429 on December 1st 2014, 11:31 pm

the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
there was no pipe added,I know what your talking about, BUT NO PIPE ADDED.

Yes ,its a lot of work just grinding ,and welding  in  the ports to make them into what and  where I thought they should be. Remember I ONLY DID THEM FOR THE GUYS who had a iron head rule,or were street / grudge guys. I ve done 14 pair and I don't care to do 15, lol


now for the last part, there's no lying , all of those DOVE headed engine I built none were over 509 ci the smallest being 460 ( Jason's ).

in fact none ever  never lied about the  ci size, They always had the hood open in the pits on any of the DOVE headed engines, nothing was hid ,everything was there for the world to see.





As i said nothing wrong with an eddy head, I just don't have any
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Post  BOSS 429 on December 1st 2014, 11:35 pm

the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...





What et does your eddy head engine run na ?
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Post  dfree383 on December 2nd 2014, 1:31 am

BOSS 429 wrote:
yellowhorse7 wrote:
BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also


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lol lol lol




well ,with that /\ said let me ask this, Whats the best et anyone has ran with an eddy head @ under 510 ci in a 3200 lbs car with 1 carb,and no power adder ?
I made 800 hp @ 466" with a set of Edelbrocks. But that was with 2 carbs..... Single is probably 775ish.

Bob at D&D had a number of guys running very fast cars with them.

Face it the Edelbrock stuff is superior.... I don't care how good you think you are with iron Doves
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Post  Barney on December 2nd 2014, 2:38 am

1971tjet wrote:HELLO I HAVE A QUESTION , HOW MUCH BETTER ARE THE EDELBROCK PERFORMER HEADS OVER STOCK DOVE-C HEADS AND WOULD I BE BETTER OFF TO WORK THE IRON HEADS RATHER THAN INVEST IN THESE EDELBROCKS FOR A 500 HP RANGE STREET BIG BLOCK. THANKS
^^^^ ask yourself if spending 2k+ on a set of heads is neccessary. A high school shop class can build a 50th bbf with irons.
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Post  Barney on December 2nd 2014, 2:43 am

the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
you just like to argue. Is edelbrock a new sponsor for the site?  They must be coming out with a new product for the usual to peddle? Edelbrock makes pedestrian stuff has for years. You always throw in some I'm better than you superior comment in when the reality is pick anyone in this conversation and they could throw any current engine they have and throw it in a bathtub and outrun you that's just a fact.
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Post  DanH on December 2nd 2014, 3:32 am

Barney wrote:
the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
you just like to argue. Is edelbrock a new sponsor for the site?  They must be coming out with a new product for the usual to peddle? Edelbrock makes pedestrian stuff has for years. You always throw in some I'm better than you superior comment in when the reality is pick anyone in this conversation and they could throw any current engine they have and throw it in a bathtub and outrun you that's just a fact.
Eddy's for $2000 is to much! OK, this mean you can port and load the head with new stainlees valves, springs and, and, for $500?    you can't do it for $500. what would you charge? $1800(less or more $) to equal or better the Edelbrocks?

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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 2nd 2014, 7:54 am

the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...

i DIDN'T KNOW GRUDGE RACING WAS AN HONEST ADVENTURE LOL.

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Post  68galaxie on December 2nd 2014, 11:35 am

The OP was wanting a 500 HP street engine.
A DOVE-C head with a little port work (easily done) can easily make 500+ HP on a 460 or larger displacement.
There are many references and pictures showing iron head porting - http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/

The Eddy heads out of the box can also make 500 HP. The standard Eddy valves, springs, retainers etc. are certainly not race quality parts - however, would "do" for a street type engine.
New low cost valves, springs and retainers for the iron heads will not break the bank either.

If the OP was asking for 700 HP, then I would suggest an aluminum offering. In any case the factory EDDY's would require a complete upgrade of valves, springs and retainers anyhow.
Iron CJ heads have made north of 800 HP also!

Lets not turn this forum into a pissing match - like the old FE forum becomes (alot these days).

There are many opinions, and many ways to get to 500 hp Smile

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Post  dfree383 on December 2nd 2014, 11:53 am

Eddy's FTW !

When you want 700+ later you can get it with them without breaking the bank. And keep in mind a set of Doves with a bunch of money in them are worth pennies on the dollar if you go to sell them later, you'll at least get decent money out of the aluminum heads.

And just to list a few other advantages...

1) aluminum is more detonation resistant
2) you loose weight off the front of the car
3) it's a lot cheaper to port later.
4) they look better than factory iron.
5) much better exhaust ports
6) easy to repair if you have an "incident"

That is all..... Carry on.
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Post  68galaxie on December 2nd 2014, 12:03 pm

LOL, you make quite an argument,

However the OP has said nothing about going to 700 hp later.
If I wanted a 500 hp 460, and already had the iron heads I would just use them.

You can make all kinds of arguments to support your position that aluminum is better.
Aluminum certainly does have better properties.

Does that mean one can't make 500 hp economically with iron?

The Eddy aluminum would be my last choice for an aluminum head.
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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 2nd 2014, 12:25 pm

68galaxie wrote:The OP was wanting a 500 HP street engine.
A DOVE-C head with a little port work (easily done) can easily make 500+ HP on a 460 or larger displacement.
There are many references and pictures showing iron head porting - http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/

The Eddy heads out of the box can also make 500 HP. The standard Eddy valves, springs, retainers etc. are certainly not race quality parts - however, would "do" for a street type engine.
New low cost valves, springs and retainers for the iron heads will not break the bank either.

If the OP was asking for 700 HP, then I would suggest an aluminum offering. In any case the factory EDDY's would require a complete upgrade of valves, springs and retainers anyhow.
Iron CJ heads have made north of 800 HP also!

Lets not turn this forum into a pissing match - like the old FE forum becomes (alot these days).

There are many opinions, and many ways to get to 500 hp Smile

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Post  Barney on December 2nd 2014, 12:36 pm

Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
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Post  schmitty on December 2nd 2014, 3:34 pm

Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
I hope this isn't going to turn into a Furgeson deal, where there is rioting because someone did their job.
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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 2nd 2014, 4:07 pm

schmitty wrote:
Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
I hope this isn't going to turn into a Furgeson deal, where there is rioting because someone did their job.

You take your job too seriously.

It's the interwebz.....nothing more. And it's been fairly slow around here.
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Post  yellowhorse7 on December 2nd 2014, 4:08 pm

Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.

Schmitty strikes again! It wasn't Mike or Nick
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