Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Go down

Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on December 30th 2014, 10:36 pm

Sportsman vs billet and cost is a consideration although not the deciding factor.

Lets use 800ish HP plus 250+Nos (X2maybe) on a street driven motor, limits?


Last edited by FalconEh on December 31st 2014, 5:46 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : correction)
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  J.Toney on December 30th 2014, 11:43 pm

Going only off of Eliminator's ratings, the Sportman shoud do it no problem, unless you really want that second kit. Basing it on hp alone, they rate that for ~1000
avatar
J.Toney

Posts : 335
Join date : 2009-08-18
Location : Kent CIty, MI

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on December 31st 2014, 5:28 pm

J.Toney wrote:Going only off of Eliminator's ratings, the Sportman shoud do it no problem, unless you really want that second kit. Basing it on hp alone, they rate that for ~1000

Street driven but Track raced...knowing myself I will say it will see 2-stages of NOS if not right away at some point. I removed the Premier and Ultra from the equation as not looking for 18-bolt . The extra $500.00 for the billet does sound like cheap insurance, besides the end caps, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application.
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  kim on December 31st 2014, 6:17 pm

no replacement for displacement.

kim

Posts : 700
Join date : 2009-06-27
Location : Tucson AZ

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on December 31st 2014, 10:00 pm

kim wrote:no replacement for displacement.  

Can't argue that...Chalk one up for the A460
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  bbf-falcon on December 31st 2014, 10:02 pm

A460 ftw

bbf-falcon

Posts : 8992
Join date : 2008-12-03
Location : Jackson, Ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  QtrWarrior on December 31st 2014, 10:28 pm

[/quote]

, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application. [/quote]

Higher bore capable then the Sportsman..yes
Then the other Eliminator blocks, no.. Premiers have gone out to 4.700"
avatar
QtrWarrior

Posts : 2565
Join date : 2008-12-02
Age : 59
Location : Bloomingdale, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on January 1st 2015, 12:21 am

, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application. [/quote]

Higher bore capable then the Sportsman..yes
Then the other Eliminator blocks, no.. Premiers have gone out to 4.700"[/quote]

Please elaborate, intentions and expectations listed above...educate me I want to spend the money right on the BBF as I mismanaged the money too many times to learn the SBF to get the end result, I deal with suppliers every day and all of their stuff is the latest greatest thing, I want the opinions of those who have used the products like You!
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  cool40 on January 1st 2015, 1:28 pm

Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want? Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question. confused
avatar
cool40
BBF CONTRIBUTOR
BBF CONTRIBUTOR

Posts : 7168
Join date : 2009-08-31
Age : 47
Location : on the 1/8 mile dyno

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on January 1st 2015, 5:05 pm

cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question. confused

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  J.Toney on January 1st 2015, 10:24 pm

FalconEh wrote:
cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question. confused

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.
To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".
avatar
J.Toney

Posts : 335
Join date : 2009-08-18
Location : Kent CIty, MI

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  dfree383 on January 1st 2015, 10:37 pm

Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.

avatar
dfree383
BBF CONTRIBUTOR
BBF CONTRIBUTOR

Posts : 14177
Join date : 2009-07-09
Location : Home Wif Da Wife.....

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on January 2nd 2015, 1:59 pm

J.Toney wrote:
FalconEh wrote:
cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question. confused

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.
To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".

dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.


I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  garys gt on January 2nd 2015, 2:16 pm

cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.

garys gt

Posts : 87
Join date : 2014-02-11

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  J.Toney on January 2nd 2015, 3:41 pm

garys gt wrote:cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.
Yep
avatar
J.Toney

Posts : 335
Join date : 2009-08-18
Location : Kent CIty, MI

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  gmsmkr on January 2nd 2015, 5:04 pm

My vote is short stroke big bore the ultra block at 4.600 start and 4.150 stroke the p51 heads if you like my choice be a-heads 1150 split dommys and 3 kits (why only 800hp) .....smart ass comment sorry just had to Razz
avatar
gmsmkr

Posts : 1364
Join date : 2014-06-22
Location : alabama

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  cool40 on January 2nd 2015, 7:40 pm

garys gt wrote:cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.
I did... Cool
avatar
cool40
BBF CONTRIBUTOR
BBF CONTRIBUTOR

Posts : 7168
Join date : 2009-08-31
Age : 47
Location : on the 1/8 mile dyno

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  dfree383 on January 2nd 2015, 8:48 pm

FalconEh wrote:
J.Toney wrote:
FalconEh wrote:
cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question. confused

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.
To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".

dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.


I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.

Why? The 18 bolt is an added feature.... All the 10 bolt heads work on them fine.

Besides I'm not sure any of the good aftermarket stuff is avaliable in 10 bolt only.
avatar
dfree383
BBF CONTRIBUTOR
BBF CONTRIBUTOR

Posts : 14177
Join date : 2009-07-09
Location : Home Wif Da Wife.....

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on January 2nd 2015, 9:26 pm



dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.


I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.[/quote]

Why? The 18 bolt is an added feature.... All the 10 bolt heads work on them fine.

Besides I'm not sure any of the good aftermarket stuff is avaliable in 10 bolt only.[/quote]

Not that familiar with the 18-bolt not an option for the 351C...Is the opposite true also?, can I use the 18 bolt heads on a 10-bolt block aka D9 (with NOS) because the A-460 heads could serve both purposes well. I do like the larger bore option as it open up a lot of opportunities with cu/in and piston varieties, and room to grow for the price difference the .200 is a bargin.
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  garys gt on January 4th 2015, 2:35 pm

I believe the 18 bolt a460 heads will work with the 10 bolt block as long as you don't get the ones with the larger  2.40  intake valves. You can go to trick flow Web site and it will tell minimum Bore size on what ever head your looking at. Also tells flow numbers and other stuff. I believe that's correct but others here can tell more I am sure.

garys gt

Posts : 87
Join date : 2014-02-11

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  QtrWarrior on January 4th 2015, 3:03 pm

Yes, You can use 18 bolt heads on a 10 bolt block...
avatar
QtrWarrior

Posts : 2565
Join date : 2008-12-02
Age : 59
Location : Bloomingdale, Ga

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Post  FalconEh on January 4th 2015, 3:19 pm

Cool Thanks for you input guy's I appreciate it!

This will open up more options. I will spend some more time on their websites study
avatar
FalconEh

Posts : 1429
Join date : 2014-08-21
Location : on the blacktop or in the mountains ????

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum