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Post  NO FAIR November 21st 2009, 1:29 pm

Has any "non professionals" rebuilt a C6 transmission? on a scale of 1 to 10 how hard was it? Thinking about giving it a go.
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Post  billandlori November 21st 2009, 1:48 pm

Yeah I did mine. It was a challenge but not impossible.

Make sure you get a good factory manual. Summit sells copies. Read it over a few times to get familiar with the components.

I used the TCI heavy duty truck rebuild kit. Don't use the TCI shift kit tho.....long story. I think there are some other suppliers too.

I figured even if I had to do it a few times, it was still cheaper than paying someone to do it. The other thing is that we don't have any good trans shops around here.

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Post  NO FAIR November 21st 2009, 1:56 pm

Thanks!
I am thinking about ordering a DVD from " bad shoe productions" I have heard some good things about there stuff.
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Post  billandlori November 21st 2009, 2:18 pm

Yeah, I bought that dvd after I did the trans Rolling Eyes I wish I had it before!!

It is quite a bit more involved than an engine build, but if you keep everything in order and super clean it goes pretty good.

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Post  uf63 January 5th 2010, 11:42 pm

Bill you just answered my first question, where did you the manual. Did you change the shift lever (it has a d on it) I'm goinig to ff, what I need to know is who so you get the pin out with out breaking something. Thanks Ben
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Post  billandlori January 6th 2010, 12:29 am

I just ordered the dvd online at: http://www.badshoeproductions.com/

I didn't change the shift lever on my build. Sorry!!

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Post  uf63 January 6th 2010, 4:08 am

I bought the same one, not bad.
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Post  65Galaxie January 6th 2010, 10:11 pm

we just did ours ... used the 500 HP kit from Jay and Broader ... was not as hard as we thought it was going to be and Jay is always available to answer questions ... great customer service ...

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Post  Gregaust January 7th 2010, 5:15 am

Not sure if i fit in the non-professional Laughing been building for 20+ years . I'm doing a C6 now ,full roller and Franks transbrake . Will have lots pics can post if you're interested

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Post  res0rli9 January 7th 2010, 10:45 am

Gregaust wrote:Not sure if i fit in the non-professional Laughing been building for 20+ years . I'm doing a C6 now ,full roller and Franks transbrake . Will have lots pics can post if you're interested

Yes, post up and thanks

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Post  Gregaust January 7th 2010, 4:11 pm

Ok will do in next couple days ..

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Post  uf63 January 11th 2010, 12:12 am

That CD is very good were allmost done.
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Post  Gregaust January 16th 2010, 5:18 am

#9 thrust washer converted to roller using a T-350 bearing. Note where machined to use that bearing there is a shoulder left on the outer edge of the race to keep bearing in place. The specific Ford bearing the race is flat and the bearing has a locating lip on the bearing itself. See 2nd pic of the bearing Frank mention later . It is from an 88-up C6/E4OD is what is listed as . Frank lists the Ford part number below.
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Reverse hub NOTE: longer spline section on later model part. Must be used with roller
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Front side of reverse hub machined for roller
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Next 2 pics are rear plant machined both sides for roller
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Front planet and hub machined for roller . Bearing is Sonnax GM-N-11 as used i believe from a T700 torque converter
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Assembly now , reverse piston and retainer in case and #9 thrust roller with inner roller clutch race
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#10 washer in place after torqueing inner roller clutch race in place
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Reverse hub in place with reverse ring gear and #8 roller thrust The snap ring must be fitted to retain the output shaft
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Rear planet set in place with #7 roller . Note retaining ring to hold planet and reverse hub in place
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Teflon sealing rings used when using manual valvebody fitted while assembling forward drum. Stick them in the grooveswith assembly lube to hold them in during assembly
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Front assembly together on the bench. You must set up each clutch pack first and i air check each one on the stator support before assembling it all together
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Input shell on. This whole unit is then fitted into the case in one piece . The front band is presoaked in trans oil and fitted in next.
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Teflon rings fitted to stator support before fitting pump into the case . Pump body is measured and new gears fitted , new bronze type converter bush pressed in. I always replace this bush and extension housing bush as they are often worn.
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All together . Of course endfloat was set along the way .Band struts in and adjusted to spec
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"E" servo lever fitted before assembly.. I have put a pic in to compare the "E" lever to the stock "A"
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NOTE: I used a Sonnax Billet "R" servo . The large sealing section of the piston is too large and causes the piston to hang up in the bore . On Advice from Frank Merkl the groove is machined .007" deeper and all works sweet.
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Valvebody fitted in and torqued into place and filter fitted
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Post  OldRedFord January 16th 2010, 6:45 am

The copper line, did you make your own oil lines?
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Post  Gregaust January 16th 2010, 7:34 am

OldRedFord wrote:The copper line, did you make your own oil lines?

Yes i make up my own lines . It's not copper . It is steel bundy tube just with a copper coating to stop them rusting. The ends are double flared and the nuts are 1/2-20 thread .

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Post  Frank Merkl January 16th 2010, 1:57 pm

gregaust , you have the wrong bearing in #9 , #7-#8 are thm350 bearing , # 9 is Ford pt# E6DZ-7G178-A it has an inner lip to center it on the oneway race
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Post  Gregaust January 16th 2010, 3:10 pm

Frank Merkl wrote:gregaust , you have the wrong bearing in #9 , #7-#8 are thm350 bearing , # 9 is Ford pt# E6DZ-7G178-A it has an inner lip to center it on the oneway race
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Thanks Frank. Just replied to PM. I use the T350 bearing since i can't always get the bearing you listed here . I have used that one before when i can get them, C6 and E4OD parts are not plentiful here . You will notice where the race is machined there is a locating shoulder around the outside keeps the bearing in place. I edited the text and added a pic to clarify the difference .


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Post  Frank Merkl January 16th 2010, 7:35 pm

that will work as both bearings are the same thickness
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Post  87GT February 5th 2010, 4:45 pm

Gregaust, if you dont mind me asking what is the knob on your sonnax servo cover in the pictures Thanks!

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Post  Gregaust February 6th 2010, 5:15 am

87GT wrote:Gregaust, if you dont mind me asking what is the knob on your sonnax servo cover in the pictures Thanks!

No probs at all.. It is a -4 test nipple with a cap on it for checking the pressure as per Frank's transbrake Instructions.

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Post  Greg_P February 6th 2010, 10:35 am

What kind of filter is that? It looks like a very nice piece.

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Post  Gregaust February 6th 2010, 3:43 pm

Greg that is the B+M adaptor that comes with the deep pan and it is a 727 Torqueflite filter

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Post  56f100guy January 14th 2017, 8:57 pm

A thread back from the dead...

So for those of you that 'non-professionally' rebuilt your C6's, how are they holding up.. 7 years later lol

I may just tackle this...maybe

I figure other than the 5 clutches, my 69 Lincoln trans would be the same seals and such? Other than the tailshaft seal, that seems kinda unique.

Any advice on where to buy or a reputable brand name?

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Post  Gregaust January 15th 2017, 2:42 am

Not sure I qualify as Non-Professional, have done a few C6's Very Happy Your best bet for parts is Jay @ Broader Performance . He'll have all you need at good prices and good service

The gasket kits cover from 67 up. Most basic rebuild parts are also same through the years . There are some minor variations . If in doubt take pics as you go and add them here and we can help

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Post  Gregaust January 15th 2017, 2:53 am

Some good info here for you

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=2316.0

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