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Post  bruno on April 20th 2015, 1:03 pm

Kaase scj are the same as p51 ??? Have I missed something in the last couple of years
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Post  bruno on April 20th 2015, 3:17 pm

come on 31 views ... no one is gonna bite ???? Laughing
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Post  rmcomprandy on April 20th 2015, 3:40 pm

bruno wrote:Kaase scj are the same as p51 ??? Have I missed something in the last couple of years

Where did you ever get that idea... ?

That is similar to saying that a D0VE and D0OE are the same, just because they have the same valve positioning.

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Post  Mark Miller on April 20th 2015, 5:06 pm

I thought the P-51 was like a cast ported version of the SCJ?

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Post  Lem Evans on April 20th 2015, 5:23 pm

P51 = bigger intake port and valve.....the exh. side is ~ the same as the scj.

P51 are set up for + .100" valves.

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Post  514F-1 on April 20th 2015, 6:33 pm

I was going start a new thread to ask this, but this one seems like a good place. Say, for instance, I switch to P-51 heads from my current A429 Cobra Jets, can I use the same headers??
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Post  rmcomprandy on April 20th 2015, 7:14 pm

514F-1 wrote:I was going start a new thread to ask this, but this one seems like a good place.  Say, for instance, I switch to P-51 heads from my current A429 Cobra Jets, can I use the same headers??

Same headers...? YES.

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Post  dfree383 on April 20th 2015, 7:33 pm

Same intake, Yes..... Need different valve reliefs in most pistons, can get away in some instances with dished pistons with small cams.
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Post  gmsmkr on April 20th 2015, 7:39 pm

Another question regarding the p-51s

why won't the stud girdles for the p-51s fit the frpp scj heads
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Post  Lem Evans on April 20th 2015, 7:47 pm

[quote="gmsmkr"]Another question regarding the p-51s

why won't the stud girdles for the p-51s fit the frpp scj heads[/quote

Intake stud angle.

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Post  gmsmkr on April 20th 2015, 7:51 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
gmsmkr wrote:Another question regarding the p-51s

why won't the stud girdles for the p-51s fit the frpp scj heads[/quote

Intake stud angle.

Cool thanks I just saw different part numbers and wasn't sure why
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Post  bruno on April 20th 2015, 8:14 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
bruno wrote:Kaase scj are the same as p51 ??? Have I missed something in the last couple of years

Where did you ever get that idea... ?

That is similar to saying that a D0VE and D0OE are the same, just because they have the same valve positioning.


I was being sarcastic. Another car i was looking at buying has Kaase SCJ , but the owner said they are the same as P-51 Laughing ..... These folks that are selling these cars are silly. everyone one has all these excuses on why the car runs what it runs...blah blah blah
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Post  bruno on April 20th 2015, 8:18 pm

and of course theses full bodied cars weight in at 2700lbs must be some of Tony's scales Shocked Very Happy
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Post  whatbumper on April 20th 2015, 9:12 pm

bruno wrote:and of course theses full bodied cars weight in at 2700lbs must be some of Tony's scales Shocked Very Happy

A big block fox body weighing 2700lbs is easy.

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Post  514F-1 on April 20th 2015, 9:26 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
514F-1 wrote:I was going start a new thread to ask this, but this one seems like a good place.  Say, for instance, I switch to P-51 heads from my current A429 Cobra Jets, can I use the same headers??

Same headers...?  YES.

Thanks, thought so..
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Post  bruno on April 20th 2015, 10:45 pm

whatbumper wrote:
bruno wrote:and of course theses full bodied cars weight in at 2700lbs must be some of Tony's scales Shocked Very Happy

A big block fox body weighing 2700lbs is easy.

all factory , plus accessories and a 10 pt moly cage ??? my car was gutted and it was still over 3k
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Post  whatbumper on April 20th 2015, 11:08 pm

All factory, no. Stripped down with fiberglass hood, front bumper. Race car stuff. Very easy. Cool

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Post  dfree383 on April 21st 2015, 8:38 am

whatbumper wrote:
bruno wrote:and of course theses full bodied cars weight in at 2700lbs must be some of Tony's scales Shocked Very Happy

A big block fox body weighing 2700lbs is easy.

Not with any of our fat asses in the car...... Laughing

My old car with a A460 Block and top end was 3086 with me in it. But it is a t-top car too and all mild steel cage.
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Post  whatbumper on April 21st 2015, 11:05 am

Weight is a state of mind. Lol

I weigh around 280 fully suited up and one of my customers weighs 375 suited up so we are used to figuring big drivers. We have a gold X275 style car on our team that weighs 3220 with the 375 driver and the only thing glass is the hood and deck lid because it was cheaper to buy a glass one than steel after a wreck here.

My car, that's a different story, it weighs 2750 with me and ballast to make that weight. Small block turbo motor on gas. It has a "little" more work than most. Cool

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Post  bruno on April 21st 2015, 9:55 pm

whatbumper wrote:Weight is a state of mind. Lol

I weigh around 280 fully suited up and one of my customers weighs 375 suited up so we are used to figuring big drivers.  We have a gold X275 style car on our team that weighs 3220 with the 375 driver and the only thing glass is the hood and deck lid because it was cheaper to buy a glass one than steel after a wreck here.

My car, that's a different story, it weighs 2750 with me and ballast to make that weight.  Small block turbo motor on gas.  It has a "little" more work than most. Cool

I just don't understand why folks have to falsify info about there race cars. That was my point about this whole thread. Maybe I just know to much. Maybe I'm just being to picky !!! Rewind about 7 years ago if I knew what I know now I would have never purchased the last race car.
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Post  FalconEh on April 21st 2015, 10:26 pm

bruno wrote:
I just don't understand why folks have to falsify info about there race cars. That was my point about this whole thread. Maybe I just know to much. Maybe I'm just being to picky !!! Rewind about 7 years ago if I knew what I know now I would have never purchased the last race car.

Stereotypical salesman mentality (easy now) some people are just full of Sh!t and when you potentially put cash in front of them they erupt. If I had to guess I would have guessed you would buy a roller with a current cert, and approached the engine as a separate deal, deducting the relevant number of dollars for every time you want to lie to me or think I am stupid. JMO
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Post  maverick on April 22nd 2015, 8:26 am

FalconEh wrote:
bruno wrote:
I just don't understand why folks have to falsify info about there race cars. That was my point about this whole thread. Maybe I just know to much. Maybe I'm just being to picky !!! Rewind about 7 years ago if I knew what I know now I would have never purchased the last race car.

Stereotypical salesman mentality (easy now) some people are just full of Sh!t and when you potentially put cash in front of them they erupt. If I had to guess I would have guessed you would buy a roller with a current cert, and approached the engine as a separate deal, deducting the relevant number of dollars for every time you want to lie to me or think I am stupid. JMO

cheers Laughing
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Post  maverick on April 22nd 2015, 11:19 am

'88 Ranger, only 'glass hood and bumpers. Steel bed, fenders, doors, cab. BBF, Ultraglide, tubular K & A-arms. Iron 9", drum rear brakes.

2480 lbs. with 2 batteries, no driver. 2700 lbs. buckled in.
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Post  69F100 on April 22nd 2015, 12:53 pm

maverick wrote: '88 Ranger, only 'glass hood and bumpers.  Steel bed, fenders, doors, cab.  BBF, Ultraglide, tubular K & A-arms.  Iron 9", drum rear brakes.

2480 lbs. with 2 batteries, no driver.      2700 lbs. buckled in.


the old rangers was a lot lighter than the newer ones wish my 2000 would have been as light as the 88 I had Rolling Eyes
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Post  whatbumper on April 23rd 2015, 8:19 am

I saw a car locally for sale with a "cage good to 6.50's" in it according to the owner.  Had no x in the door and no funny car cage.  A guy bought it and brought it to us because the cage wouldn't even go 8.50 cert.  best thing to do was to cut it all out and start over.  Really broke his heart.  He called me a liar and went to another shop.  The new shop is a fine individual.  He agrees that we were just trying to upsell the cage deal and says " I'll fix it no problem".  $3500 later it still won't pass but hey I'm still the liar here. Lol

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