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I finally fired my 460..

Post  jasonf on April 22nd 2015, 10:29 pm

I finally finished my engine run stand and fired my 460 tonight. It has an unknown solid roller cam. tfs street heads, tfs track heat intake converted to efi (from TEA), Holley HPefi with a 58 tooth crank trigger, Price Motorsports cam sensor, 48 lb injectors,  LS ignition coils.



Check out that 1/4" thick starter plate from KFM.





It starts loading up in the 1-4 side after about 30 seconds but I have done ZERO tuning. This was just the second start.

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Post  res0rli9 on April 22nd 2015, 10:36 pm

Cool

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Re: I finally fired my 460..

Post  kim on April 22nd 2015, 10:50 pm

loading one side, other side lean, 02 input crossed.

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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on April 23rd 2015, 1:17 am

Can you post some pics of the trigger wheel and trigger mount?

Who is TEA?
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Post  cool40 on April 23rd 2015, 1:20 am

Cool Cool Cool i like it!
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Post  jasonf on April 23rd 2015, 9:45 am

SandHillsHillbilly wrote:Can you post some pics of the trigger wheel and trigger mount?

Who is TEA?

TEA is Total Engine Airflow. They are part of the TrickFlow/Summit companies and are located in the back corner of Trick Flow. They were the only people I could find that would machine the injector holes for a reasonable price and actually had experience doing it. There is other companies out there that do conversions but the prices are pretty expensive.
http://www.totalengineairflow.com/

I had a MSD crank trigger setup but with the larger Innovators balancer leaves no room. IW has their own bracket system but it still wouldn't fit the correct Hall effect sensor so fab work would have been needed regardless.


So I made a new mount for the Holley sensor from some 3/8" alum angle. I used the bottom mounting hole for the MSD bracket and drilled the second hole where the slot is. It is non adjustable but that is what I was after anyways.
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Post  61coon on April 23rd 2015, 9:56 am

That's an awesome build Jason. I really like the fuel injection part! Sounds good too. Are you gonna dyno this engine or just let it eat?
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Post  jasonf on April 23rd 2015, 9:58 am

61coon wrote:That's an awesome build Jason. I really like the fuel injection part! Sounds good too. Are you gonna dyno this engine or just let it eat?

I need to learn the Holley system and get it running properly before putting it in my 56. Then maybe I will do a chassis dyno, depends on funds. The car doesn't have any cage as it is just a street car so it is not really a big deal at this time. Driveability is.
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Post  jasonf on April 23rd 2015, 10:05 am

Another view of the crank trigger.



I also seem to have a clearance problem I will need to deal with.

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Post  61coon on April 23rd 2015, 10:10 am

That fuel injection will be real nice on the street. What trans are you gonna go with?
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Post  jasonf on April 23rd 2015, 10:52 am

61coon wrote:That fuel injection will be real nice on the street. What trans are you gonna go with?

Lentech AOD
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Post  61coon on April 23rd 2015, 11:44 am

jasonf wrote:
61coon wrote:That fuel injection will be real nice on the street. What trans are you gonna go with?

Lentech AOD

Love it! Cool
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Post  cletus66 on April 23rd 2015, 2:37 pm

Cool setup, and I really like that stand. Cool
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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on April 23rd 2015, 7:41 pm

Well crap! That answers that question about the crank trigger. I was hopping to mount the trigger wheel on the back side of the balancer.

I am running same serp belt setup but with full compliment with AC and power steering. Will just have to space everything out the thickness of the trigger wheel.
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Post  FalconEh on April 23rd 2015, 8:00 pm

cheers VERY Cool

The sweet sound of music.
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Post  billandlori on April 23rd 2015, 10:51 pm

Very nice job Jason!! That thing sounds sweet!!

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Post  gmsmkr on April 24th 2015, 7:52 am

Sounds good should be alot of fun on the streets
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Post  jasonf on April 24th 2015, 3:00 pm

SandHillsHillbilly wrote:Well crap! That answers that question about the crank trigger. I was hopping to mount the trigger wheel on the back side of the balancer.

I am running same serp belt setup but with full compliment with AC and power steering. Will just have to space everything out the thickness of the trigger wheel.

Is yours an internally balanced unit? If so you can slice the spacer in half. cut out 1/8" and sandwich the wheel in between the 2 halfs.





http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?2545-Custom-60-2-Crank-Trigger-Kit
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Post  jasonf on April 24th 2015, 3:02 pm

SandHillsHillbilly wrote:Well crap! That answers that question about the crank trigger. I was hopping to mount the trigger wheel on the back side of the balancer.

I am running same serp belt setup but with full compliment with AC and power steering. Will just have to space everything out the thickness of the trigger wheel.

Do you have a picture of your accessories? I need to make something as billet specialties is a bit out of my price range.
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Post  gmsmkr on April 24th 2015, 4:20 pm

Hey Jason I have some pulleys off a efi 460 if you need them just pay shipping......pm me if interested
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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on April 25th 2015, 7:25 am

jasonf wrote:
SandHillsHillbilly wrote:Well crap! That answers that question about the crank trigger. I was hopping to mount the trigger wheel on the back side of the balancer.

I am running same serp belt setup but with full compliment with AC and power steering. Will just have to space everything out the thickness of the trigger wheel.

Is yours an internally balanced unit? If so you can slice the spacer in half. cut out 1/8" and sandwich the wheel in between the 2 halfs.




Yeah I have seen Danny's mount before. And seeing the underside pic there looks like tons of room to mount the trigger wheel to back of balancer. Most balancers have dual bolt patterns in the hub. I thought of using the unused holes to mount trigger wheel. I am running external balance. My plan is/was to use a Kasse Timing pointer in the stock location and an Innovators West crank trigger sensor mount on the driver's side. I will have to modify the mount to use an LS crank sensor. If I find the radiator hose interferes too much I will have to change to an IW's combination timing pointer and sensor mount on passenger side.

Either way the sensor is going to have to be in the bottom half to the trigger wheel. I need to get off my lazy butt and mount a block to a stand so I can mock everything up.

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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on April 25th 2015, 7:32 am

jasonf wrote:
SandHillsHillbilly wrote:Well crap! That answers that question about the crank trigger. I was hopping to mount the trigger wheel on the back side of the balancer.

I am running same serp belt setup but with full compliment with AC and power steering. Will just have to space everything out the thickness of the trigger wheel.

Do you have a picture of your accessories? I need to make something as billet specialties is a bit out of my price range.

I don't have any specific pic, but I may have some random pics that may help you.

Check this album:
http://www.supermotors.net/registry/9046/32533

Also check Trent's pages he may have some that will help.
http://www.ncspecialties.com/autobody/compressorbracket/index.htm


To duplicate the factory may prove futile. Hunt the salvage and pull a part yards for F or E 350s. The E350s have the nicer Saginaw power steering pumps. I will keep my ear to the ground for you. If I come across a set I will let you know.
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Post  jasonf on April 25th 2015, 12:29 pm

I will probably just build something. I will need different stages as I add the A/C later.
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