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Post  Coupe Devil on May 21st 2015, 2:39 pm

Can't swing a set of aluminum heads right now... Who in the Southeast can help me out with porting these Doves? I'd get the MadPorters instructions and do them myself but don't have the equipment access I use to have. Going on top of a 545 nitrous setup for now until I can get a set of P51's.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 21st 2015, 6:23 pm

Coupe Devil wrote:Can't swing a set of aluminum heads right now... Who in the Southeast can help me out with porting these Doves? I'd get the MadPorters instructions and do them myself but don't have the equipment access I use to have. Going on top of a 545 nitrous setup for now until I can get a set of P51's.

NOT a good choice for a temporary head if P-51's are your goal. Actually, there is no good temporary head when a P-51 head is to replace them UNLESS the pistons are notched for dual intake valve notches for both intake valve locations.

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Post  Coupe Devil on May 21st 2015, 7:58 pm

The DOVES aren't a choice. Its what I have to work with. I'm fine with cutting or replacing pistons when it comes time to change heads. Pistons were installed for a set of aluminum SCJ heads. Those heads were put on new motor and Doves are going on this one to get me going.
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Post  bbf-falcon on May 21st 2015, 8:28 pm

You will have to cut those pistons for the D0VE's.

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Post  61coon on May 21st 2015, 9:50 pm

We're about 8 hrs from Conway, but Blake Cartwright (IDT-572) is an excellent head porter. He may or not be able to get to them soon, but it won't hurt to ask. Maybe he'll chime in.
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Post  8liter on May 21st 2015, 11:07 pm

bbf-falcon wrote:You will have to cut those pistons for the D0VE's.

The pistons are for standard cj heads...no cutting required for a DOVE head
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 21st 2015, 11:15 pm

Coupe Devil wrote:The DOVES aren't a choice. Its what I have to work with. I'm fine with cutting or replacing pistons when it comes time to change heads. Pistons were installed for a set of aluminum SCJ heads. Those heads were put on new motor and Doves are going on this one to get me going.

When using those pistons with those heads you WILL have piston to valve contact without machining dedicated OEM location intake notches in the pistons.

Put it all together as is and after the carnage you can just find out what went wrong and fix it again.


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Post  Coupe Devil on May 21st 2015, 11:16 pm

I was incorrect. The previously installed heads were standard cobra jet NOT the Super CJ I first thought.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 21st 2015, 11:18 pm

8liter wrote:

The pistons are for standard cj heads...no cutting required for a DOVE head

Are you building this engine to see those pistons because that is not what HE just said.
Pistons meant for ALUMINUM SCJ's are not near the same as those for "standard Cobra Jet" heads.

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Post  rmcomprandy on May 21st 2015, 11:27 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
8liter wrote:

The pistons are for standard cj heads...no cutting required for a DOVE head

Are you building this engine to see those pistons because that is not what HE just said.
Pistons meant for ALUMINUM SCJ's are not near the same as those for "standard Cobra Jet" heads.

OK ... now the OP has changed his mind AGAIN about what he has.  Now it is back to the P-51's not fitting.

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Post  Coupe Devil on May 21st 2015, 11:36 pm

The short block and D0VE heads are coming from 8 liter. I made a mistake about what heads he HAD on the motor previously. I am FULLY aware the P-51's would require new pistons / cut these. I don't "HAVE" any of it. Its 750 miles away currently. I am trying to get as much info as I can before I pick it up. I haven't touched a big block in 10 years. I guess I was supposed to know everything before I asked the question.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 22nd 2015, 10:55 am

Coupe Devil wrote:The short block and D0VE heads are coming from 8 liter. I made a mistake about what heads he HAD on the motor previously. I am FULLY aware the P-51's would require new pistons / cut these. I don't "HAVE" any of it. Its 750 miles away currently. I am trying to get as much info as I can before I pick it up. I haven't touched a big block in 10 years. I guess I was supposed to know everything before I asked the question.

Not everything but, certainly telling what pistons you actually have when asking the question about heads which have different valve placements.

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Post  Coupe Devil on May 22nd 2015, 11:31 am

Wont happen again officer.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 22nd 2015, 12:10 pm

Coupe Devil wrote:Wont happen again officer.

You can simply be a Smart A$$ all you want if you think it makes you a bigger person ... it certainly doesn't lessen your ignorance.
You will never have to envision about me giving you free information in the future; it ain't gonna happen.

Have a nice day...

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Post  Coupe Devil on May 22nd 2015, 12:20 pm

Edit.

Let's just let it go. Hope you have a nice weekend.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 22nd 2015, 12:29 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:

Put it all together as is and after the carnage you can just find out what went wrong and fix it again.

Have Fun ...

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Post  68galaxie on May 22nd 2015, 3:42 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:
Coupe Devil wrote:Wont happen again officer.

You can simply be a Smart A$$ all you want if you think it makes you a bigger person ... it certainly doesn't lessen your ignorance.
 You will never have to envision about me giving you free information in the future; it ain't gonna happen.

Have a nice day...

Good grief!  What type of response should the OP have had towards your comment?
There will soon be no-one wanting to ask any questions on this BBF forum.
You clearly don't like providing help. So stop posting! Please.

I have no idea why you are so grouchy lately - and I don't care to know why.
Lets keep this forum civilized. There are plenty of folks here that have BBF experience that can help the OP.
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Post  gmsmkr on May 22nd 2015, 3:53 pm

68galaxie wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
Coupe Devil wrote:Wont happen again officer.

You can simply be a Smart A$$ all you want if you think it makes you a bigger person ... it certainly doesn't lessen your ignorance.
 You will never have to envision about me giving you free information in the future; it ain't gonna happen.

Have a nice day...

Good grief!  What type of response should the OP have had towards your comment?
There will soon be no-one wanting to ask any questions on this BBF forum.
You clearly don't like providing help. So stop posting! Please.

I have no idea why you are so grouchy lately - and I don't care to know why.
Lets keep this forum civilized. There are plenty of folks here that have BBF experience that can help the OP.

This is not my argument and randy is a big boy, but in his defense I am thankful for randy to be here and give us his knowledge for free. he does not sugar coat his answers because he does not want the wrong info out and makes it plane and simple. how you read it is up to you....me personally would much rather have a strait forward answer then some beat around the bush round about way of an answer.
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Post  rmcomprandy on May 22nd 2015, 6:23 pm

68galaxie wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
Coupe Devil wrote:Wont happen again officer.

You can simply be a Smart A$$ all you want if you think it makes you a bigger person ... it certainly doesn't lessen your ignorance.
 You will never have to envision about me giving you free information in the future; it ain't gonna happen.

Have a nice day...

Good grief!  What type of response should the OP have had towards your comment?
There will soon be no-one wanting to ask any questions on this BBF forum.
You clearly don't like providing help. So stop posting! Please.

I have no idea why you are so grouchy lately - and I don't care to know why.
Lets keep this forum civilized. There are plenty of folks here that have BBF experience that can help the OP.

Good Grief "68 Galaxie" ... I expect an informed question to be posed as well as you would want an intelligent answer given. The second is impossible without the first.

You have no more anxiety about this to think about here  ... my list of 11 names of people who I will not answer ANY questions of ANY kind for them just became 12;  and you were already on it so, those on that list won't get offended, you can all get the help they can from others.

I have no time for those who are thin skinned and need to be cajoled.

I don't give out conjecture or opinions, (unless it is stated as so),  or hearsay like some other so call "BBF experienced people" do.

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Post  68formalGT on May 23rd 2015, 12:35 pm

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Post  supervel45 on May 23rd 2015, 1:17 pm

68formalGT wrote:Would these work for your build?

http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177522
Those seem like a good deal, last I saw he had .060" only listed. They are for a 3.85" stroke not for a 545 deal I believe.

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Post  68formalGT on May 23rd 2015, 2:35 pm

I'd call him and see what he has.
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Post  Coupe Devil on May 23rd 2015, 10:39 pm

Thanks, my short block is already assembled so I'll stick with what I have for now.
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Post  dfree383 on May 23rd 2015, 11:15 pm

Coupe Devil wrote:Edit.

Let's just let it go. Hope you have a nice weekend.

Believe it or not he's trying to save you a bunch of headaches and money.

And yes he does give a poop about people.
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Post  cletus66 on May 24th 2015, 9:07 pm

Coupe Devil wrote:Thanks, my short block is already assembled so I'll stick with what I have for now.



Hey man, glad to see you back.  I remember when we met at the first Big Block Bash when I was pitted next to rmcomprandy and Adney Brown.   I've been out of the loop for a while too, trying to screw together a 408 Windsor for my '67 fastback.  


I keep telling my wife that it'll just be another thousand bucks.... Embarassed








I have my fingers crossed hoping it doesn't blow up in my face... Shocked
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