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Post  jones on February 7th 2016, 11:07 pm

The oil pan I have on the engine right now will not clear the cross member in my truck. I is a FRPP oil pan that has a windage tray and crank scraper. It's considered a rear sump but it has a small sump in the front. The small sump is causing all the problems. I thought about cutting the sump out but I don't think that would be the best option.?? ( Lem told me this pan he sold me was one of the best pans out there and they are no longer made. I'm thinking it would be worth more if I don't cut it up.)

Canton makes this pan that will work but it's not as nice as the current pan. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-16-774

Should I not worry about it and just go with the Canton or try to look for something better. This is going in my 1994 f150 4x4.

PS. I am still in the market for a set of valve covers. I was going to order the fabricated Canton valve covers but I have read that some have problems keeping them sealed.

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Re: I need a oil pan what do you suggest?

Post  cool40 on February 7th 2016, 11:23 pm

Don't forget the oil pump under that little front sump. Idea
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Re: I need a oil pan what do you suggest?

Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 12:16 am

cool40 wrote:Don't forget the oil pump under that little front sump. Idea

This is beyond the clearance needed for the oil pump. The oil pump only requires 6 to 6-1/4" where this is 7-3/4 to 8" from the pan rail.

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Post  BBFTorino on February 8th 2016, 12:41 am

Break out your cutting wheel and section a piece of the cross member, then weld in steel support to make it strong. It will not hurt anything.

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Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 6:29 am

BBFTorino wrote:Break out your cutting wheel and section a piece of the cross member, then weld in steel support to make it strong. It will not hurt anything.

I was going to do this until I got a good look at it. The swing arms attach exactly where I need to make the cuts. My idea was to cut out a section on either side of the cross member. Then come back with a 3x3 or 2x2 angle. It's the worst place I could cut into the crossmember, I would be cutting into the swing arm bracket and have to remove one of the mounting bolts.

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Post  Lem Evans on February 8th 2016, 12:03 pm

Moroso's fox pan is 6-1/2" in the front. I think Canton has a fox pan that is 6-1/4" in the front.

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Post  Curt on February 8th 2016, 12:09 pm

If your looking for something custom that doesn't have a custom price contact this guy. I found him at the Chili Bowl and does some amazing work.

Doug Lee - Top Cover 918-542-4686 www.propan.net
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Re: I need a oil pan what do you suggest?

Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 12:40 pm

Lem Evans wrote:Moroso's fox pan is 6-1/2" in the front. I think Canton has a fox pan that is 6-1/4" in the front.

Do any of those have the same features this pan has? (What's your thoughts on the pan I posted a link too?) I like the pans that don't require me to drain oil from little front sumps. I want you to get what I need sent to me.

I'm using a bare block now for drivetrain fitting. I can wait toward the end to make the oil pan swap.

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Post  Lem Evans on February 8th 2016, 1:17 pm

If you don't want a fox style just use the Carton truck deal or a Moroso 20614....6-1/2" in the front.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-20614/overview/

It has screen rather than a louvered tray.

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Post  rmcomprandy on February 8th 2016, 1:47 pm

Lem Evans wrote:Moroso's fox pan is 6-1/2" in the front. I think Canton has a fox pan that is 6-1/4" in the front.

Happens to me all the time, Lem. For all kinds of things where the customer really does not have all the facts.

Customers ask for something specific, (like a rear sump oil pan or a Fox chassis pan to also fit a truck), when what they really need is something else, (one simply to fit the truck).

Then they realize when they get the oil pan, it really wasn't what they wanted, (but got what they asked for).

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Post  ED468 on February 8th 2016, 2:09 pm

Thats part of our beloved Ford down fall, parts interchangeabilty they car less about. They have the deminsions at Ford but don't EVER use them to to simplify things. And our eyes are'nt as good as used to be lol.

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Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 2:16 pm

I'll have y'all know Lem had this pan that was part of the engine package I bought from him. I bought it thinking it might fit. Guess what, it didn't fit. I'm not asking him to give me a refund or anything. I'll keep it and maybe use it down the road. Lem just told me if I could make this pan work it would be a good deal as it has all the stuff in side. As usual Randy, I don't know what your talking about unless Lem posted something I didn't see.

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Post  BBFTorino on February 8th 2016, 5:24 pm

Can you set the engine back a little to clear it?? How about raising it up some??

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Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 6:13 pm

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Post  jones on February 8th 2016, 6:17 pm

BBFTorino wrote:Can you set the engine back a little to clear it?? How about raising it up some??

I did try this but there is not enough room. I'll just order the canton 4x4 pan and be done with it. Since I was going to spend $400 for another pan I just wanted to make sure I wasn't buying a crappy part.

I have used shims under the motor mounts before but I don't want to do that here. I have set a thin piece of wood under between the oil pan and cross member, tighten the motor mounts then removed the wood. Had a perfect gap.

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Post  kjett on February 9th 2016, 9:53 am

ditch the mounts, use motor/mid plates and set the motor where you want. It will be cheaper than buying another new pan. Besides you mentioned before that that is mainly a drag truck with some street, so do some fabricating and make it work.
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Post  jones on February 9th 2016, 10:39 am

That is an idea. I can't go any further back unless I drop the engine lower into the frame rails. Or do some cutting on the fire wall.

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Post  kjett on February 9th 2016, 12:25 pm

Or trim some of the cross member and shim the motor mounts up some....
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Post  jones on February 9th 2016, 2:17 pm

I did swap the rubber mounts for a set of solid mounts. The mounts I got from L&L where just too soft. I couldn't imagine them holding up to very many transbrake launches.

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Post  jones on February 9th 2016, 2:22 pm

PS.. I can't really imagine a whole pile of other parts either!

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