New Edelbrock head
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Re: New Edelbrock head
dfree383 December 9th 2016, 6:59 pm
Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
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Re: New Edelbrock head
68galaxie December 9th 2016, 7:16 pm
looks just like: http://www.besracing.com/cylinder-head-and-intake-packages/cylinder-heads/gm/bbc/bes-edelbrock-big-victor-3-heads
Did Edelbrock modify the BBC version to fit a BBF?
Did Edelbrock modify the BBC version to fit a BBF?
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Lem Evans December 9th 2016, 9:36 pm
dfree383 wrote:Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
There a PRI heads and those that can be delivered next week.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
dfree383 December 9th 2016, 9:54 pm
Lem Evans wrote:dfree383 wrote:Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
There a PRI heads and those that can be delivered next week.
I'm supprised You don't see them on any Fords at the track
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Re: New Edelbrock head
cletus66 December 10th 2016, 5:32 am
Are they missing some exhaust bolt holes, or is that what all the cool kids are doing now????? 
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Re: New Edelbrock head
68formalGT December 10th 2016, 11:38 am
Apparently builders have been waiting years for the GM version to be released.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169706&highlight=bv3
Thanks Carl, those look good. Now if they will just make them available.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1169706&highlight=bv3
Thanks Carl, those look good. Now if they will just make them available.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Carl December 10th 2016, 12:11 pm
Lem Evans wrote:dfree383 wrote:Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
There a PRI heads and those that can be delivered next week.
Yeah, like the AFR heads.
Wasn't long ago everyone was calling them vapor-ware too.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 10th 2016, 1:25 pm
dfree383 wrote:Lem Evans wrote:dfree383 wrote:Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
There a PRI heads and those that can be delivered next week.
I'm supprised You don't see them on any Fords at the track
Why should you be suprised? Nobody worries about the track or ET or Scoreboard. It's all about the BLOW Bench. That is what's important
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Re: New Edelbrock head
dfree383 December 10th 2016, 1:49 pm
Gary Blair wrote:dfree383 wrote:Lem Evans wrote:dfree383 wrote:Versions of that have seen around for awhile never seem to see any running or in any catalogs for sale
There a PRI heads and those that can be delivered next week.
I'm supprised You don't see them on any Fords at the track
Why should you be suprised? Nobody worries about the track or ET or Scoreboard. It's all about the BLOW Bench. That is what's important
It be cool to see some more 700"+ BBF's running at more tracks..... Too damn many GM's in the world.
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Lem Evans December 10th 2016, 3:54 pm
The 'blow bench' as Gary calls it is a good tool. The issue with flow bench is that many people become a slave to it.....keeps them from trying things. Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one.
It's got to the point where people are saying 'flow doesn't matter'. If that's the case why are those crazy guys still designing those taller better flowing heads?
It's got to the point where people are saying 'flow doesn't matter'. If that's the case why are those crazy guys still designing those taller better flowing heads?
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 10th 2016, 4:48 pm
Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench' as Gary calls it is a good tool. The issue with flow bench is that many people become a slave to it.....keeps them from trying things. Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one.
Agree on this.
It's got to the point where people are saying 'flow doesn't matter'. If that's the case why are those crazy guys still designing those taller better flowing heads?
Taller "can be good" no doubt about that.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
68formalGT December 10th 2016, 7:21 pm
Gary Blair wrote:Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench' as Gary calls it is a good tool. The issue with flow bench is that many people become a slave to it.....keeps them from trying things. Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one.
Agree on this.
It's got to the point where people are saying 'flow doesn't matter'. If that's the case why are those crazy guys still designing those taller better flowing heads?
Taller "can be good" no doubt about that.
LoL, taller. Isn't Lem 7' tall?
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 11th 2016, 10:06 am
68formalGT wrote:Gary Blair wrote:Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench' as Gary calls it is a good tool. The issue with flow bench is that many people become a slave to it.....keeps them from trying things. Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one.
Agree on this.
It's got to the point where people are saying 'flow doesn't matter'. If that's the case why are those crazy guys still designing those taller better flowing heads?
Taller "can be good" no doubt about that.
LoL, taller. Isn't Lem 7' tall?
I was referring to cylinder head height
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Paul Kane December 12th 2016, 1:00 pm
I am aware of engines on dynos which had heads swapped out and the lesser flowing heads produced more overall power on the given package than the heads with the higher flow numbers. A lot of this is about combination.Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench'....Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one....
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 12th 2016, 1:10 pm
Paul Kane wrote:I am aware of engines on dynos which had heads swapped out and the lesser flowing heads produced more overall power on the given package than the heads with the higher flow numbers. A lot of this is about combination.Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench'....Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one....
Very true, track performance can be affected as well. I've seen the same with carb's. Great dyno performers but sometimes out performed at the track with with a lesser valued carb. Correlation and building a data base is time consuming and costly.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
68formalGT December 12th 2016, 1:22 pm
dfree383 wrote:It be cool to see some more 700"+ BBF's running at more tracks..... Too damn many GM's in the world.
Is that where these heads will shine or will the fit in other applications like the 611 Thor Gen 2 build?
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Lem Evans December 12th 2016, 1:45 pm
Gary Blair wrote:Paul Kane wrote:I am aware of engines on dynos which had heads swapped out and the lesser flowing heads produced more overall power on the given package than the heads with the higher flow numbers. A lot of this is about combination.Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench'....Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one....
Very true, track performance can be affected as well. I've seen the same with carb's. Great dyno performers but sometimes out performed at the track with with a lesser valued carb. Correlation and building a data base is time consuming and costly.
That's usually because the flow curve is 'jacked up'. The newer carbs with 5 stage emulsion legs, removable restrictions and a guy that knows how to adjust them resolves that issue.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
BBFTorino December 13th 2016, 2:48 am
Plus, a carb on a dyno isn't moving!! That carb on a race car getting air rammed into it at 100+ mph changes the settings a bit!!
A little bit of tunin & tweakin gets the carb dialed into race condition.
A little bit of tunin & tweakin gets the carb dialed into race condition.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 13th 2016, 4:48 pm
Lem Evans wrote:Gary Blair wrote:Paul Kane wrote:I am aware of engines on dynos which had heads swapped out and the lesser flowing heads produced more overall power on the given package than the heads with the higher flow numbers. A lot of this is about combination.Lem Evans wrote:The 'blow bench'....Just because one valve job flows 470 cfm and another flows 477cfm dry does mean that the 470 unit won't out perform the other one....
Very true, track performance can be affected as well. I've seen the same with carb's. Great dyno performers but sometimes out performed at the track with with a lesser valued carb. Correlation and building a data base is time consuming and costly.
That's usually because the flow curve is 'jacked up'. The newer carbs with 5 stage emulsion legs, removable restrictions and a guy that knows how to adjust them resolves that issue.
Unfortunate, but true. Happy Dyno, Happy carb, skilled jack up tuner.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 13th 2016, 4:49 pm
BBFTorino wrote:Plus, a carb on a dyno isn't moving!! That carb on a race car getting air rammed into it at 100+ mph changes the settings a bit!!
A little bit of tunin & tweakin gets the carb dialed into race condition.
Good skill to have. May save some money in the long run,
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Re: New Edelbrock head
IDT-572 December 13th 2016, 6:07 pm
I will give up 20 cfm at .900 lift for 20+ cfm gain at .400 .500 .600 &.700.
Its about the average air moved in the same lift curve. Filling the cylinder the most in the amount of time you have to do it. And how it enters the cylinder.
Its about the average air moved in the same lift curve. Filling the cylinder the most in the amount of time you have to do it. And how it enters the cylinder.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Lem Evans December 13th 2016, 6:52 pm
IDT-572 wrote:I will give up 20 cfm at .900 lift for 20+ cfm gain at .400 .500 .600 &.700.
Its about the average air moved in the same lift curve. Filling the cylinder the most in the amount of time you have to do it. And how it enters the cylinder.
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This is true^^^
There are guys that'll fuck up the short side to get a big number @ .800"-1.00" and take the 'guts' right out of the engine.
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Re: New Edelbrock head
Gary Blair December 14th 2016, 8:25 am
Lem Evans wrote:IDT-572 wrote:I will give up 20 cfm at .900 lift for 20+ cfm gain at .400 .500 .600 &.700.
Its about the average air moved in the same lift curve. Filling the cylinder the most in the amount of time you have to do it. And how it enters the cylinder.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is true^^^
There are guys that'll fuck up the short side to get a big number @ .800"-1.00" and take the 'guts' right out of the engine.
Absolutely true. Keep those prostitutes out of there.
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