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Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  BBFTorino on November 3rd 2017, 12:15 am

Has anyone here installed the Rod & Custom Motorsports front end, using the power steering rack??
Here's my dilemma, I have a 67 fastback restomod, I installed the above suspension/steering kit, and Im dropping in a 351 Windsor. The motor uses a Fox Body oil pan...so its a rear sump, with a smaller front sump....the problem is, the front sump is hitting the steering rack (actually resting right on top of it), yet the engine to frame mounts still have another 1.5 to 2" inches to go down before the engine will bolt up!!
I don't think I can raise the engine that much because then the transmission will be up against the body / trans tunnel.
So what kind of oil pan will clear this steering rack??
The way I see it, Im going to have to either run a dry sump setup (external oil pump) and eliminate the front sump and internal oil pump, or somehow move the steering rack forward enough to make the front sump clear it.

Any thoughts/ ideas??

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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  cool40 on November 3rd 2017, 1:16 am

Can the rack go down any? Do you have a car or truck pan?
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  BBFTorino on November 3rd 2017, 2:57 am

The rack cannot go down because the lower control arms are mounted right underneath it.

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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  jasonf on November 3rd 2017, 7:43 am

Can you square up the edge of the pan right there? Lots of times when doing swaps the stock pans are not shaped right.
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  dfree383 on November 3rd 2017, 7:45 am

Got the motor mounts on right?
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  Doug Rahn on November 3rd 2017, 8:16 am

I have Rod & Custom Motorsports front end in my '65 Mustang Fastback, but I have yet to fit an engine in it. That project has been on the back burner Sad a long time. But, my plans are to move the engine back as far as possible, maybe even recessed into the firewall a little. So more than likely I will have the same issue as you. To get around that if I were you I would eliminate the front sump and pump and run an externally driven wet sump pump like one of Peterson's.
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  lance flake on November 3rd 2017, 11:14 am

I built a stroked Windsor for a guy with a heidts pinto/mustang 2 front end in a 65 fastback ran into the same problem. We put and external moroso pump on it and cut the front sump on pan off installed a flat bottom in its place

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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  BBFTorino on November 3rd 2017, 7:39 pm

That's what I was afraid of. How much is an external pump system cost?? Its gotta be at least another $1500.
Another thing I was thinking of, is moving the rack forward.....make some custom mounts to move it forward where the sway bar is, then make some extentions off the spindles so the tie rod ends can still connect.

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Post  Doug Rahn on November 3rd 2017, 9:09 pm

BBFTorino wrote:That's what I was afraid of. How much is an external pump system cost?? Its gotta be at least another $1500.
Another thing I was thinking of, is moving the rack forward.....make some custom mounts to move it forward where the sway bar is, then make some extentions  off the spindles so the tie rod ends can still connect.


You could do it for half that amount.
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  JBR-3 on November 3rd 2017, 9:23 pm

Look at www.autoweldchassis.com.

They make a "featherweight" Mustang II front stub that mounts the rack behind a crossmember
instead of in front of the crossmember. This maximizes the distance from the firewall to the most forward
crossmember for the most oil pan fore-to-aft clearance.

I haven't bought one but I might, for my '69.

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Post  DILLIGASDAVE on November 4th 2017, 1:56 am

JBR-3 wrote:Look at www.autoweldchassis.com

They make a "featherweight" Mustang II front stub that mounts the rack behind a crossmember
instead of in front of the crossmember. This maximizes the distance from the firewall to the most forward
crossmember for the most oil pan fore-to-aft clearance.

I haven't bought one but I might, for my '69.

I could be wrong but IIRC on the Autoweld Featherlight setup it's true that the rack is mounted "behind" a crossmember (instead of in front). But the rack it's self is still sitting in the same general area as before (in relation to the front spindle centerline so big jump in bump-steer problems isn't created).

So if it's actually the crossmember that has been moved a bunch and not the rack, and if it's the rack it's self that's in the way (and not the crossmember), then the Autoweld deal might not help.
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Post  JBR-3 on November 4th 2017, 2:15 pm

Dilligas, that's certainly true, on the cross member location. If the block is right at the firewall, maybe it is the rack that's hitting the
oil pump. I haven't been in the engine bay enough yet on my '69.
Myself, I was planning to try and use a full length oil pan. Clearing everything behind the rack for me is a step in the right direction
so I could minimize the block setback and therefore minimize the firewall rework.
IF, IF, this plan works, the next hurdle would be if the crank dampener & pulleys would interfere with the rack. I don't have a clue
yet on this. If that turns out to be the case, I might go for a Cleveland instead of a 385.

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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  BBFTorino on November 4th 2017, 8:20 pm

Well, I ordered the oil pan that R&C recommends. when it gets here, I'll bolt it on the block and re-try to lower it down onto the mounts.
If it don't work, I will try swapping on the manual rack since it is smaller diameter and see what the interference/clearance is.
If THAT don't work, then I will have to do some fab work and relocate the steering rack and make it all work.
Stay tuned!!

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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  cool40 on November 5th 2017, 1:58 am

It always seems to be the more you pay for something the more bs comes with it! Cut to fit! Get a bigger hammer! Razz
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on November 5th 2017, 3:04 am

BBFTorino wrote:..........If THAT don't work, then I will have to do some fab work and relocate the steering rack and make it all work.........

Don't forget that moving the rack will usually cause unwanted bump-steer problems (of varying degrees depending on the direction the rack is moved) to start happening and will have to be dealt with (a bump-steer kit, or bend/modify the spindle's steering arms, or etc, etc) to correct the problem.
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Re: Restomod 67 Mustang fastback.

Post  BBFTorino on November 11th 2017, 3:19 pm

Well, I got the problem solved. I had to order a different oil pan. I got a Canton pan P/N 15-694. It is a rear sump road race/street/drag race pan.
The smaller front sump has a contour that cleared the rack pretty well. The steel hardlines for the power steering that are on the rack had to be slightly bent to clear the pan.
Also, I slotted the mounting holes on the block mounts a little bit so the engine could move forward about 1/4" inch and give enough clearance so nothing touches anything!

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