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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 9:12 am

Looking for some ideas on building a streetable engine around the 1000hp deal on pump gas. Probably gonna drive the car to some car shows maybe put 200 miles on her a month , then i want to spray the house down at the track . of course running race gas . What direction should i go ? Target compression ? heads? intake ? Would really love to go efi to keep the stock hood on it ?? but that might be out of my realm. Starting with an aftermarket block of course.
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Post  dfree383 on March 27th 2018, 9:31 am

What’s the budget?

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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 9:34 am

dfree383 wrote:What’s the budget?


fuel to pan .... 12-15k
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Post  dfree383 on March 27th 2018, 10:04 am

598” A460 headed engine, 6.8 rod, wet sump with Kaase pump and steel pan. 13.5:1 compression on E85 (inexpensive and easy to tune)

Old FMS intake with a 1250 E85 carb (help with hood clearance and good street manners) Mechanical Roller with street manners and NO2 in mind, regular timing chain. Mechanical water pump and alternator.

Keep it simple and no bling

C6 too.......
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Post  Bosskk1786 on March 27th 2018, 10:19 am

dfree383 wrote:598” A460 headed engine, 6.8 rod, wet sump with Kaase pump and steel pan. 13.5:1 compression on E85 (inexpensive and easy to tune)

Old FMS intake with a 1250 E85 carb (help with hood clearance and good street manners) Mechanical Roller with street manners and NO2 in mind, regular timing chain. Mechanical water pump and alternator.

Keep it simple and no bling

C6 too.......
same as this but I would try the new tm a441 heads... I know rich (boss429) built one that made 950 on 92 octane... But I'm partial to boss 429's lol

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Post  dfree383 on March 27th 2018, 10:24 am

Cost becomes the issue with the hemi stuff
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 10:25 am

dfree383 wrote:598” A460 headed engine, 6.8 rod, wet sump with Kaase pump and steel pan. 13.5:1 compression on E85 (inexpensive and easy to tune)

Old FMS intake with a 1250 E85 carb (help with hood clearance and good street manners) Mechanical Roller with street manners and NO2 in mind, regular timing chain. Mechanical water pump and alternator.

Keep it simple and no bling

C6 too.......

Can we get there with 93 ?
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Post  dfree383 on March 27th 2018, 12:11 pm

bruno wrote:
dfree383 wrote:598” A460 headed engine, 6.8 rod, wet sump with Kaase pump and steel pan. 13.5:1 compression on E85 (inexpensive and easy to tune)

Old FMS intake with a 1250 E85 carb (help with hood clearance and good street manners) Mechanical Roller with street manners and NO2 in mind, regular timing chain. Mechanical water pump and alternator.

Keep it simple and no bling

C6 too.......

Can we get there with 93 ?

I don’t think it hit 1000 NA with the lower compression

Pump gas is to variable, E85 by the barrel is what I’m talking about
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 12:25 pm

definitely do not want any bling, want to have it look as retro as i can get it under the hood. Plus that should keep the cost down. Im just not familar with e85 and would love to not have to worry about fuel in a barrel until im at the track.
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 12:35 pm

Do they make a retro style valve cove for that cylinder head ? or would i have to look into someone making me one ?
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Post  windsor on March 27th 2018, 1:48 pm

This is with a stock block. http://www.429-460.com/t14610-dyno-results-a-headed-557-on-91-octane-pump-gas-dyno-update-page-6

And Bill Fowler (CDMBill) has done it with a 589” with extensive Drag Week use. TFS tunnel ram with dual EFI throttle bodies and Megasquirt. 1014 hp several years ago.

https://youtu.be/msBeVfZgP-Q



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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 1:58 pm

Thxs windsor
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 2:43 pm

this is the car im working on now to acquire.
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Post  Curt on March 27th 2018, 2:53 pm

Sorry, didn't see that you were already prepped for N2O.


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Post  rmk57 on March 27th 2018, 2:57 pm

69 Torino GT. I like the formal roof body style. Hope it's not an original CJ car.

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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 2:59 pm

Curt wrote:You're not going to get to 1000hp on a streetable engine without a significant helper. NOS, blower, turbo.  And you're not going to do any of these at under $12k unless you're buying used parts that may not make it across the street.

never said under 12k ... between 12-15k ... plus i know of a couple of folks in the business Wink
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 3:06 pm

rmk57 wrote:69 Torino GT. I like the formal roof body style. Hope it's not an original CJ car.

That i dont know . How can i tell ? I also liked the body lines on this one too plus the color, and the center console with buckets.
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Post  Curt on March 27th 2018, 3:13 pm

bruno wrote:
Curt wrote:You're not going to get to 1000hp on a streetable engine without a significant helper. NOS, blower, turbo.  And you're not going to do any of these at under $12k unless you're buying used parts that may not make it across the street.

never said under 12k ... between 12-15k ... plus i know of a couple of folks in the business Wink

I changed my post after I re-read your plans.
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Post  FalconEh on March 27th 2018, 3:52 pm

bruno wrote:
rmk57 wrote:69 Torino GT. I like the formal roof body style. Hope it's not an original CJ car.

That i dont know .  How can i tell ? I also liked the body lines on this one too plus the color,  and the center console with buckets.

I don't believe that is an "R" code 428cj as it has the 351 emblem on the hood scoop.
Although you can shimmy a 385 series in the engine bay, parts are not as plentiful as they are for the 70 and Later , and it will not be conducive to the long arm of Mr Frosty as plug changes will be nearly impossible unless you get to cutting it up.

Does Tore still have that 70 Cobra, that would be a good candidate.
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Post  AZFairlane on March 27th 2018, 4:23 pm

Nice car Nick, I hope you get it.  Just have someone put a Mustang II front suspension under it and save yourself a lot of headaches.  Unless you're going to spring for a strut front end, but that cost more money.
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Post  rmk57 on March 27th 2018, 5:20 pm

FalconEh wrote:
bruno wrote:
rmk57 wrote:69 Torino GT. I like the formal roof body style. Hope it's not an original CJ car.

That i dont know .  How can i tell ? I also liked the body lines on this one too plus the color,  and the center console with buckets.

I don't believe that is an "R" code 428cj as it has the 351 emblem on the hood scoop.
Although you can shimmy a 385 series in the engine bay, parts are not as plentiful as they are for the 70 and Later , and it will not be conducive to the long arm of Mr Frosty as plug changes will be nearly impossible unless you get to cutting it up.

Does Tore still have that 70 Cobra, that would be a good candidate.

I couldn't read those numbers on the scoop if my life depended on it. If it were a Cobra-jet car it would have either a "Q" or an "R" in the VIN's fifth digit.

It's already been pointed out thats it looks to be a 351 Windsor car, "H" code?

I certainly wouldn't cut a nice car like that up and put a crappy Mustang two front end in it. I'd rebuild or use what you have if it's in good shape.

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Post  dfree383 on March 27th 2018, 5:29 pm

X2 if it’s a clean car I wouldn’t bolt a crap mustang 2 suspension under it either
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Post  Lem Evans on March 27th 2018, 6:29 pm

windsor wrote:This is with a stock block. http://www.429-460.com/t14610-dyno-results-a-headed-557-on-91-octane-pump-gas-dyno-update-page-6

And Bill Fowler (CDMBill) has done it with a 589” with extensive Drag Week use.  TFS tunnel ram with dual EFI throttle bodies and Megasquirt.  1014 hp several years ago.

https://youtu.be/msBeVfZgP-Q


That's not a $15,000 or under engine.

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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 7:41 pm

rmk57 wrote:
FalconEh wrote:
bruno wrote:
rmk57 wrote:69 Torino GT. I like the formal roof body style. Hope it's not an original CJ car.

That i dont know .  How can i tell ? I also liked the body lines on this one too plus the color,  and the center console with buckets.

I don't believe that is an "R" code 428cj as it has the 351 emblem on the hood scoop.
Although you can shimmy a 385 series in the engine bay, parts are not as plentiful as they are for the 70 and Later , and it will not be conducive to the long arm of Mr Frosty as plug changes will be nearly impossible unless you get to cutting it up.

Does Tore still have that 70 Cobra, that would be a good candidate.

I couldn't read those numbers on the scoop if my life depended on it. If it were a Cobra-jet car it would have either a "Q" or an "R" in the VIN's fifth digit.

It's already been pointed out thats it looks to be a 351 Windsor car, "H" code?

I certainly wouldn't cut a nice car like that up and put a crappy Mustang two front end in it. I'd rebuild or use what you have if it's in good shape.

9r44h127851 , it has a 351 in it now ! I dont know what yall call clean ?? lol
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Post  bruno on March 27th 2018, 7:45 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
windsor wrote:This is with a stock block. http://www.429-460.com/t14610-dyno-results-a-headed-557-on-91-octane-pump-gas-dyno-update-page-6

And Bill Fowler (CDMBill) has done it with a 589” with extensive Drag Week use.  TFS tunnel ram with dual EFI throttle bodies and Megasquirt.  1014 hp several years ago.

https://youtu.be/msBeVfZgP-Q


That's not a $15,000 or under engine.

the 589" deal certainly isnt , but the 557 looks like a budget deal ? just dont know how accurate that dyno is , seems really impressive for 91 octane ....
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