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Post  Talon on June 10th 2018, 12:18 pm

So I cant find my original thread on this. My truck went boom like backfire, kind of, my oil pressure gauge then read no pressure, all ran and sounded fine ( ran it for another quarter mile or so as was in a 50 zone and that was the soonest I could pull over.) I checked under the hood while still running: nothing. Shut her down, towed her home. Trying to get the oil pan off to see if it's that rod ( I think that is the assembly my 429 has ) from the distributor that makes the oil pump work. I have not done this surgerey before, so am only going off what a friend said to do.
I simply cannot get the pan off. Yes, all the bolts are out. Ha, ha. The only access for getting any chisel or screwderiver between pan and block are passenger rear side and driver side front. Have managed to get a gap going in the front, but am afraid of bending the flange too much. There is enough room to get a 6 inch or so chisel in there, then it gets in, straightens out, and I have no angle to be able to hammer in any further.
I have sprayed about half the way around ( all I could get to ) the gasket with gas to help it let go. No luck.
Help!





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Re: Oil pan sstill won't come off

Post  jeffgfg on June 10th 2018, 2:43 pm

Taking the pan off you still won't be able to see the oil pump drive shaft, unless you unbolt the oil pump. Taking the pan off will be tough with it still in the truck, I'm not sure but you might be able to unbolt the oil pump with just dropping the pan as much as you can then when you unbolt the pump you might be able to remove the pan completely. What might be easier is to remove the distributor and check the oil pump drive shaft from there. Remove a valve cover and spin the shaft to see if you get oil to the push rods. Plus then you can check and see if anything in the valve train is out of place with the valve covers off. As far as the oil pan being stuck a stiff wide (2") putty knife slip it in where you can then tap it with a hammer as you move it around the pan. Hope this helps.....

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Post  Talon on June 10th 2018, 3:46 pm

Thanks, Jeff, but I have to get the pan off now as my efforts have definetely compromised the gasket to the point of needing replacement. Like I described, I can get a putty knife in, but then it becomes impossible to tap it further. Hindsight is 20/20: I should have said, "show me!" to friend that told me to do this.....
There is no way to drop the pan a little and be able to to access anything. It will need to be completely removed.
Well, I guess I'm high and dry unless you want to come over and give me a hand...

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Post  samiam on June 10th 2018, 4:32 pm

I had a similiar problem with a oil pan once, ended up useing a large block of wood , put the flat of it against the pan and a large hammer , worked , and didnt leave any marks, I did hit it hard
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Post  jasonf on June 10th 2018, 4:33 pm

If you unbolt the motor mounts and transmission mount you may be able to jack the engine up to give you more clearance. I would get on of those long gasket scrapers and reach in from the front and work your way back. Someone must have used gasket glue so you will pretty much have to cut through the gasket to get the pan off. If you think this is hard wait till you have to clean the surfaces.

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Post  Talon on June 10th 2018, 5:33 pm


Samiam, I will try that first...though with the amount of goo involved, I think it may require the cutting as Jasonf suggested...
Jacking it up a bit is a good suggestion. Where it is located outside and other, er, limitations, I think I have to not unbolt anything else...although, logically, it makes total sense to pull a motor to do this, I just don't have the shop or skills or help.
Please pray for the sending of legions of angels that like Fords to help.....I know they have all kinds of special skills...
Thanks, I will keep banging away at this...

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Post  69F100 on June 10th 2018, 6:43 pm

I have used a putty knife and hammer drive the putty between the block and pan then just bump the putty knife and cut the gasket loose
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Post  Talon on June 10th 2018, 7:29 pm

Hey 69F100, I may have to ask my brother to forge me a tool of the right specs to actually be able to access the space available to do this. Check out my brother, Courage Crawford, Goathammer Forge, on Facebook and Etsy. Just got my swords done...I am very pleased...yes, he just might be part of the solution here, as can access literally about eight inches total where I can get anything between the block and pan....with very limited hammering or prying space...
The gasket and goo mess on mine is not amenable to cutting. Is that typical? Just have to gouge out teeny bits at a time? I think I may spray some more gas on it to help melt it.

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Post  BBFTorino on June 11th 2018, 12:36 am

Sometimes, it takes force to break force. Don't be afraid to beat the crap out of your chisel or whatever tool you are using. If it bends the flange on the oil pan, you can re-straighten it on a work bench using a large "C"-clamp or a vise. Done it many times.

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Post  Talon on June 13th 2018, 1:54 pm

I broke the seal on the pan but there is no room to remove it...my friend who suggested this over the phone better be williing to fix this...

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Post  rbro460 on June 13th 2018, 2:12 pm

Pull it out, do it properly.
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Re: Oil pan sstill won't come off

Post  Talon on June 13th 2018, 2:44 pm

I think you are saying pull the block....that is out of my league. My friend will have to sort this out. Anything else I should do if we have to pull this thing? Crying or Very sad

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Post  rmcomprandy on June 13th 2018, 6:41 pm

Talon wrote:I think you are saying pull the block....that is out of my league.  My friend will have to sort this out.  Anything else I should do if we have to pull this thing?  Crying or Very sad

You mean you actually expected to completely remove it while the engine is still mounted in the chassis ...?

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Post  jasonf on June 13th 2018, 6:45 pm

Talon wrote:I broke the seal on the pan but there is no room to remove it...my friend who suggested this over the phone better be williing to fix this...

Why is it your friends problem? You are the dumb ass that thought you could pull the pan out with the engine in the vehicle.
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Post  Mike R on June 13th 2018, 7:13 pm

When we changed out the rotten pan on my brothers 92 Bronco we had to unbolt the engine and lift it as high as possible with a cherry picker. Even then it was a struggle but I was able to wiggle it out and putting it back in was twice as hard.

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Post  dfree383 on June 13th 2018, 7:34 pm

No oil pressure and possible other issues, you need to just pull it and put it on a stand and repair it properly.

Half ass in the car bottom end repairs never work long term.
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Re: Oil pan sstill won't come off

Post  rbro460 on June 14th 2018, 11:52 am

Talon, you need to get this project to someone who knows what there doing.
Pay a shop to do it and bite the bullit.

Maybe a shop class at your local school. We all started young, and learned.
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Post  Mark O'Neal on June 15th 2018, 6:16 pm

Do what most hot rodders do when faced with an unsolvable proposition.......


Put fire on it.

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Re: Oil pan sstill won't come off

Post  Talon on June 16th 2018, 12:54 am

So in response to ya'll, here is a bit more intel. First off, I bolted the pan back up with three bolts so birds don't nest in it or it turns into a pond before I can deal with it, so rest easy!

My friend that told me to drop the pan is a pretty good mechanic, Due to his working full time, raising his nine year old daughter as a full time single Dad and being slightly too far away to just drop by and help me, his help over the phone on my other truck issues, has proven bang on and is deeply appreciated. He was particularly slammed this week with his daughters school camp, where the parents participate and teach classes and I think he was in charge of the kitchen. So I forgive him not foreseeing this. When I informed him on the problem this evening, his "Oh" told me he should have thought of that. But I forgive him, because I have been on his side of such issues. No one is sweating, no one is bleeding.

Regarding the last comment about applying fire, yes the smell of napalm in the morning...except I am pretty much operating by the Grace of God, not cash, these days, so this is the truck I have, and is almost made up of all brand new parts now anyway, and so it is the one I will get going. I need it to haul my critters and I away from the very unoperable location and situation we found ourselves in after trusting the wrong person with our lives.

So....yes, I agree I was a bit of a dumb ass, but it looked like there was room to slip that pan out, and I had no reason to doubt my friend....and he will help me sort it out because he is just that, a friend.

I thank all of you for your comments. Sometimes we need both a smack on the back of the head as well as a hug.

If I were not such a computard, I would post pictures, too.

Cheers, guys, I hope you have a great weekend.

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Post  Mark O'Neal on June 16th 2018, 2:28 am

Posting photos is sorta like downloading porn, but backwards. Basketball Basketball

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