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Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  wickettoby1 on June 14th 2018, 7:56 pm

After doing some research I've narrowed my oil pan choices down to three. All are front sump, ill use the required pickup for each. The engine is a 11:1 SCJ headed roller 545 going in a '64 Galaxie STREET CAR. Ill probably just stick with a Melling HV (or maybe stage 1) pump and Ill make sure to do the common block mods for oil drainback, direct dist gear oiling and oil gallery mods. I have the oil dipstick in the timing cover so if a pan dipstick hole exists it will be plugged. If anyone can shed some light (good or bad) on my three choices or offer up an alternative I'm all ears or in this case eyes. Also any feedback concerning windage tray usage and also studs or bolts for the pan retention.

Canton 15-750- 8 quarts system capacity, 10" deep front sump, slosh baffle and crank scraper
Milodon 30929- 8 quart pan capacity plus filter, 9.5" deep front sump, baffle to control oil movement  
Canton 15-764- 7 quarts system capacity, 8.5" deep front sump, designed for road racing so it has extra baffles and trap doors and crank scraper.

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Justin


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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  rmcomprandy on June 14th 2018, 8:01 pm

wickettoby1 wrote:After doing some research I've narrowed my oil pan choices down to three. All are front sump, ill use the required pickup for each. The engine is a 11:1 SCJ headed roller 545 going in a '64 Galaxie street car. Ill probably just stick with a Melling HV (or maybe stage 1) pump and Ill make sure to do the common block mods for oil drainback, direct dist gear oiling and oil gallery mods. If anyone can shed some light (good or bad) on my three choices or offer up an alternative I'm all ears or in this case eyes. Also any feedback concerning windage tray usage and also studs or bolts for the pan retention.

Canton 15-750- 8 quarts system capacity, 10" deep front sump, slosh baffle and crank scraper
Milodon 30929- 8 quart pan capacity plus filter, 9.5" deep front sump, baffle to control oil movement  
Canton 15-764- 7 quarts system capacity, 8.5" deep front sump, designed for road racing so it has extra baffles and trap doors and crank scraper.

Thanks

Justin



What is the intended usage of this vehicle ...? The road race pan is the one I'd use.

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  rmk57 on June 14th 2018, 8:35 pm

I'm using the Milodon pan in a 57 Ford Custom and really like the fit more than anything. It clears the cross member and my Crites headers perfectly, it's almost like
it was made for this swap. I use the Melling HV pump and also did the block oiling mods on a mild 502. I do drag race mine a little and do not have any oil pressure
issues due to oil slosh/starvation, although my car only runs mid-11's.

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  wickettoby1 on June 14th 2018, 11:37 pm

Thanks for the feedback RMK. I need to take a few measurements but our chassis are similar so I should have plenty of clearance.

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  68galaxie on June 15th 2018, 9:14 am

I used the Canton road race pan in my 68 Galaxie with Crites headers.
One header tube came close to the pan and some gentle persuasion was required.

I liked the extra clearance with the 8.5" deep sump vs. the others at 9.5" or 10"

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  gt350hr on June 15th 2018, 1:24 pm

+1 on the Canton road race. "I" use the M84B std volume , CJ/SCJ pump it has more than enough volume. "I" don't care for the Milodon pans.

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  Paul Kane on June 15th 2018, 2:55 pm

wickettoby1 wrote:... I've narrowed my oil pan choices down to three. All are front sump, ill use the required pickup for each. If anyone can shed some light (good or bad) on my three choices or offer up an alternative I'm all ears...

Canton 15-750- 8 quarts system capacity, 10" deep front sump
Milodon 30929- 8 quart pan capacity plus filter, 9.5" deep front sump
Canton 15-764- 7 quarts system capacity, 8.5" deep front sump

Thanks

Justin
if you are adamant on, “I’ll use the required pickup for each,” then go with the Canton 15-764 pan and associated pickup.  If you are willing to partially fab a pickup then go with the deeper/greater volume Canton 15-750 pan and a modified 15-763 pickup (which is normally used with the road race pan).

gt350hr wrote:   +1 on the Canton road race. "I" use the M84B std volume , CJ/SCJ pump it has more than enough volume.
The Canton road race pan does not use or accept an M84B pump.
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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  wickettoby1 on June 15th 2018, 3:26 pm

Paul

I just ment that I would use whatever pickup that worked with the pan that was selected. I have no problem modifying the pickup if it gives me a good result in the end.

This is a 4200 lb street car so I would rather have the extra volume and not worry as much about keeping every extra ounce of oil in the sump.

Justin

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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  6t6mustang on June 15th 2018, 4:03 pm

I would give Armandos oil pans a call, he does great work and will custom taylor your sump for whatever components you have.. he did a Cleveland front sump for me a year ago, nice piece..
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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  Paul Kane on June 15th 2018, 6:10 pm

wickettoby1 wrote:Paul

...I have no problem modifying the pickup if it gives me a good result in the end.  This is a 4200 lb street car so I would rather have the extra volume and not worry as much about keeping every extra ounce of oil in the sump.

Justin

1) Mock-up the Canton 15-763 pickup on a block with pump.  The actual pickup tube on the 15-763 is 0.750" OD:




2) Cut a portion of the pickup tube and pickup box from the welded assembly, clean and deburr:




3) Using 0.875" OD seamed tubing (0.050" wall), shape and extend the new pickup tube extension to the proper location and depth for the 15-750 pan.  The 0.875" tubing has a 0.750" ID and will slip right over the sectioned 15-763 perfectly.  I fabbed a new pickup box but you may be able to use the original Canton one.  Remember to grind away the plating on the 15-763 before welding:



Test for leaks after welding.  The modified pickup in these pictures was in fact for a 528 that used a 15-750 pan.  This pickup mod enables the use of the preferred rear sump M84D pump in place of the B Series pumps that the 15-750 pan's pickup is designed for.  Given your vehicle's street strip application, a standard volume M84D should suffice and you ought not need to have an HV pump hanging out there unsupported.
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Re: Front Sump Oil Pan Decision

Post  wickettoby1 on June 15th 2018, 8:22 pm

Thanks for sharing your tips and tricks Paul.

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