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Post  HorsinAround on August 2nd 2019, 9:29 am

Yea, I felt the same way. what a let down... Still waiting to see what the tow specs will be for the F250 and 350. I was hoping to buy a new superduty with the 7.3 gas, but unless the tow ratings surprise me, I'll probably just pick up a used one with a 6.7.

The positive is with its design. It should be able to make huge power with aftermarket parts.
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Post  BigBlockRanger on August 2nd 2019, 4:40 pm

I would LOVE to see what it makes with just a camshaft change....
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Post  John Myrick on August 2nd 2019, 5:36 pm

SLord82 wrote:430hp 475lbft meh. Feels like a big let down. I guess its just enough to be "best in class".

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp28578854/ford-7-3-liter-v-8-trucks/

Wonder how long before a supercharger is available !!!
That should wake it up
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Post  jasonf on August 3rd 2019, 9:25 pm

Availability is going to be the biggest problem for the hotrodders. The ls motors are in practically everything GM makes (in some form or another) so they were readily available years later. Making a SD only engine is going to cut that supply drastically I think. I have only seen a handful of SD trucks in our local Pull a part and they are usually stripped when they get there. You head over to the GM rows and there are LS motors everywhere.
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Post  HorsinAround on August 4th 2019, 2:21 pm

jasonf wrote:Availability is going to be the biggest problem for the hotrodders. The ls motors are in practically everything GM makes (in some form or another) so they were readily available years later. Making a SD only engine is going to cut that supply drastically I think. I have only seen a handful of SD trucks in our local Pull a part and they are usually stripped when they get there. You head over to the GM rows and there are LS motors everywhere.

Your are right, but if Ford is smart, they will make it available to the aftermarket like MOPAR has done.
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Post  wayney on August 4th 2019, 6:13 pm

I was hoping for 500+ ft lbs in factory form and I would imagine with a tune and exhaust it will be there BUT looking at the torque curve and hooked to a 10 speed it should be a good tow vehicle for what I do. 400+ ft lbs from 1500 to 5500 I like. It is not a diesel but it is also not boosted or come with the expense either.

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Post  stanger68 on August 5th 2019, 8:56 am

I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

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Post  HorsinAround on August 5th 2019, 8:12 pm

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2
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Post  stanger68 on August 5th 2019, 10:49 pm

HorsinAround wrote:
stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

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Post  wayney on August 6th 2019, 10:01 pm

but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

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stanger68 wrote:
HorsinAround wrote:
stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

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Post  jasonf on August 15th 2019, 12:19 pm

Not surprisingly Evan J Smith is building a foxbody with the new 7.3l. For those that don't know Evan has been at Muscle Mustang& Fast Fords magazine for ever and has written some of the articles about the new 7.3l specs.

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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on August 15th 2019, 1:07 pm

jasonf wrote:Not surprisingly Evan J Smith is building a foxbody with the new 7.3l.  For those that don't know Evan has been at Muscle Mustang& Fast Fords magazine for ever and has written some of the articles about the new 7.3l specs.

https://www.facebook.com/evan.smith.9440?__tn__=%2CdlCH-R-R&eid=ARCZctdTs4cKF75cq06saGVxDY8NAq04iXyQOzwcTezX9uUGfabDa-469ErIgj1zNGzM40t4d1nEe923&hc_ref=ARTqQXR58KDwU-bhaBEFfegGFJkMnYAEfTYqye5DApyUzDxagMX8TlIYxILcuz1KG68&hc_location=group

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Very interesting!! I guess with connection like that he gets a nice mock up to build from. Looks like he is planning a turbo. Would be nice is see a nice build with a Whipple 5 or 8.3 liter. Either one offers a standard roots based pattern with axial or top inlet. If you have ever been around a screw blower you would appreciate the boost.
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Post  stanger68 on August 15th 2019, 1:48 pm

wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne



stanger68 wrote:
HorsinAround wrote:
stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.

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Post  lance flake on August 15th 2019, 2:45 pm

stanger68 wrote:
wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne



stanger68 wrote:
HorsinAround wrote:
stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.


I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

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Post  SandHillsHillbilly on August 15th 2019, 3:09 pm

lance flake wrote:
stanger68 wrote:
wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne



stanger68 wrote:
HorsinAround wrote:
stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.


I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

I have a customer that recently purchased a 3/4 ton truck to daily drive in his construction business. He dropped down from a crew cab dually because daily fuel cost were eating him alive. He and 3 members of his family took the new truck from South Carolina to Orlando for a vacation. He was astonished by the highway mileage not towing and constant 80 mph cruise. He claims 20 mpg. I have no reason to doubt the guy as he is a numbers man and if he had gotten anything different he would be cussing his investment.
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Post  jasonf on August 15th 2019, 6:12 pm

lance flake wrote:


I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

My 2017 F250 crew cab FX4 gets 15-16 mpg. I can get 20 when I am coasting down a hill maybe. My average economy is around 14-15 including city driving. I have not towed with it yet. It has 45000 miles and has not changed since day one and I drive 75-80+ during my 800 mile commute to work several times a month.

If you are pulling every day then a diesel is a no brainer but if you use it to go 30 miles to your local track or to the bash once a year a gas can be just fine. It all depends on need. My old 7.3 got 20 empty but you load that up with a 35' enclosed trailer and it was around 10-11.
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