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Post  1EFF100 Yesterday at 9:18 am

How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA
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Post  rmcomprandy Yesterday at 9:43 am

1EFF100 wrote:How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA

Except for the low compression pistons, (other stock replacements are available to raise the compression ration to around 9.5/1 ratio), they presented a good , slightly warmed over engine for not much money.

The stock production parts usually don't get the amount of respect they deserve.

Not every engine is or should be built like a race engine.

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Post  1EFF100 Yesterday at 10:10 am

rmcomprandy wrote:
1EFF100 wrote:How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA

Except for the low compression pistons, (other stock replacements are available to raise the compression ration to around 9.5/1 ratio), they presented a good , slightly warmed over engine for not much money.

The stock production parts usually don't get the amount of respect they deserve.

Not every engine is or should be built like a race engine.
You're a real wet blanket, ya know that? Sheesh... Smile

Did you not notice it being a D9TE block with a points distributor? The hosts did not mention that those years were not equipped with points. Bad information to the noob viewer.
The Weiand Stealth intake. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself have said it's not a very good choice on a mild build. I know others have said that.
2.06 intake valves? Aren't they 2.08? More faulty information. And not even a little port clean-up.
And yes, the abysmal compression with those pistons.
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Post  torino501 Yesterday at 2:40 pm

whats really messed up is the 2nd part where they put the trickflow heads and juice roller on the short block, the never dyno'd it. it went to straight infomercials.... I was like WTF??? unless I missed something?

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Post  rmcomprandy Yesterday at 6:41 pm

1EFF100 wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
1EFF100 wrote:How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA

Except for the low compression pistons, (other stock replacements are available to raise the compression ration to around 9.5/1 ratio), they presented a good , slightly warmed over engine for not much money.

The stock production parts usually don't get the amount of respect they deserve.

Not every engine is or should be built like a race engine.
You're a real wet blanket, ya know that? Sheesh...  Smile

Did you not notice it being a D9TE block with a points distributor? The hosts did not mention that those years were not equipped with points. Bad information to the noob viewer.
The Weiand Stealth intake. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself have said it's not a very good choice on a mild build. I know others have said that.
2.06 intake valves? Aren't they 2.08? More faulty information. And not even a little port clean-up.
And yes, the abysmal compression with those pistons.


I will not assume anything.

So, they might have had the distributor from their original vehicle with a 429 early engine.

Those intake valves are 2.083" diameter when new but, are you sure the shop who did those heads didn't O.D. grind the valves to increase the margin thickness? Some regular replacement engine builders did things like that.  They PROBABLY didn't but, they were bound to get something slightly wrong.
That manifold is not near the best aftermarket piece but, it is probably the least expensive and works well at Wide Open Throttle.

Though certainly not perfect, it was a decent street engine to be done by novices.
Nit-Picking it, is just for those who feel the need to do such things.

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Post  rmcomprandy Yesterday at 6:48 pm

torino501 wrote:whats really messed up is the 2nd part where they put the trickflow heads and juice roller on the short block, the never dyno'd it. it went to straight infomercials.... I was like WTF??? unless I missed something?

The video I watched, showed a Comp Cams flat tappet camshaft and lifters being smeared with appropriate break-in lube.

Must have been more that I didn't watch.

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Post  Mark Miller Today at 12:24 am

rmcomprandy wrote:
1EFF100 wrote:How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA

Except for the low compression pistons, (other stock replacements are available to raise the compression ration to around 9.5/1 ratio), they presented a good , slightly warmed over engine for not much money.

The stock production parts usually don't get the amount of respect they deserve.

Not every engine is or should be built like a race engine.

Very true and made pretty decent numbers IMO for the $2,300 they had in it!! Smile

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Post  1EFF100 Today at 8:34 am

rmcomprandy wrote:
1EFF100 wrote:
rmcomprandy wrote:
1EFF100 wrote:How many things can you find wrong with this low budget "performance" build? Very Happy

Not picking on these guys, just having some fun.
It's obvious they don't visit this, or any, 385 series forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwoh0yxCBA

Except for the low compression pistons, (other stock replacements are available to raise the compression ration to around 9.5/1 ratio), they presented a good , slightly warmed over engine for not much money.

The stock production parts usually don't get the amount of respect they deserve.

Not every engine is or should be built like a race engine.
You're a real wet blanket, ya know that? Sheesh...  Smile

Did you not notice it being a D9TE block with a points distributor? The hosts did not mention that those years were not equipped with points. Bad information to the noob viewer.
The Weiand Stealth intake. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself have said it's not a very good choice on a mild build. I know others have said that.
2.06 intake valves? Aren't they 2.08? More faulty information. And not even a little port clean-up.
And yes, the abysmal compression with those pistons.


I will not assume anything.

So, they might have had the distributor from their original vehicle with a 429 early engine.

Those intake valves are 2.083" diameter when new but, are you sure the shop who did those heads didn't O.D. grind the valves to increase the margin thickness? Some regular replacement engine builders did things like that.  They PROBABLY didn't but, they were bound to get something slightly wrong.
That manifold is not near the best aftermarket piece but, it is probably the least expensive and works well at Wide Open Throttle.

Though certainly not perfect, it was a decent street engine to be done by novices.
Nit-Picking it, is just for those who feel the need to do such things.

Regarding your points on the distributor and valve sizes--very true but they did not specify that. So again, a noob viewer would not know that.

Pointing out misinformation is not nit-picking.
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Post  427John Today at 12:34 pm

1EFF,over the years there have been plenty of builds based on a sound factory shortblock or a freshened up one,reality is that production spec shortblocks with varying degrees of improvement with heads,intake,cam,and exhaust can produce enough power to satisfy the needs of most people.There are probably even some people that have dumped a lot of money in all forged rotating assemblies and aftermarket blocks that would have been adequately served with a production shortblock, but I can see the attraction of having a bulletproof foundation especially if the are planned future upgrades.That by no means makes it a requirement for all performance oriented builds though.

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Post  BOSS 429 Today at 1:14 pm

There are stock short blocks running VERY well out there
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Post  1EFF100 Today at 1:15 pm

427John wrote:1EFF,over the years there have been plenty of builds based on a sound factory shortblock or a freshened up one,reality is that production spec shortblocks with varying degrees of improvement with heads,intake,cam,and exhaust can produce enough power to satisfy the needs of most people.There are probably even some people that have dumped a lot of money in all forged  rotating assemblies and aftermarket blocks that would have been adequately served with a production shortblock, but I can see the attraction of having a bulletproof foundation especially if the are planned future upgrades.That by no means makes it a requirement for all performance oriented builds though.

I understand that. I am the epitome of the low budget, stock based engine assembler. Every 460 I have built for myself in the last 30 years have all used factory Ford cranks, rods and cylinder heads with varying degrees of intakes, camshafts and exhausts. I absolutely LOVE stock style builds that put out more than the sum of the parts.

I only put up this video because it was obvious to me that these guys didn't really put much research into what a stock type 460 is truly capable of.
With a little more aggressive off the shelf camshaft, higher compression builder pistons, a Performer intake, and a little home porting (which doesn't add to the cost if you do it yourself), this engine probably could have put down 400 HP or close to it and had better tip-in and bottom end throttle response to boot.
And, the blatant misinformation I mentioned earlier.

Anyhow, I'm done here. Thanks for the replies.
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