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Post  dfree383 on May 24th 2010, 8:40 pm

Factory CJs and A429's are no slouches.
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Post  Snowball Racing on May 26th 2010, 8:02 am

KEEP in mind Dave, is we did those heads at least 17 yrs ago. Tech was a little behind back then.
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Post  dfree383 on May 26th 2010, 8:38 am

Snowball Racing wrote:KEEP in mind Dave, is we did those heads at least 17 yrs ago. Tech was a little behind back then.

Definetly, Valve Jobs have come a long way !
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Post  the Coug on May 26th 2010, 10:09 am

Dave in good competant hands those heads will go 400+...


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Post  dfree383 on May 26th 2010, 10:17 am

the Coug wrote:Dave in good competant hands those heads will go 400+...


Randy

They Probably already are at .800 or .900........... Didn't bother checking because the cam is only a FT at .655...............
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Post  kjett on May 26th 2010, 12:36 pm

Hmmm, I'm going to have to plug those numbers in to my combo and cam for future reference. Very Happy
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Post  IDT-572 on May 26th 2010, 2:03 pm

kjett wrote:Hmmm, I'm going to have to plug those numbers in to my combo and cam for future reference. Very Happy


There you go countin them chic's afo da hatch out................ Laughing
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Post  kjett on May 26th 2010, 2:21 pm

IDT-572 wrote:
kjett wrote:Hmmm, I'm going to have to plug those numbers in to my combo and cam for future reference. Very Happy


There you go countin them chic's afo da hatch out................ Laughing

Yep. Figure if I keep Dave well stocked in SC miricle water, I might have a chance at 1st dibs. Twisted Evil
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Post  IDT-572 on May 26th 2010, 2:27 pm

kjett wrote:
IDT-572 wrote:
kjett wrote:Hmmm, I'm going to have to plug those numbers in to my combo and cam for future reference. Very Happy


There you go countin them chic's afo da hatch out................ Laughing

Yep. Figure if I keep Dave well stocked in SC miricle water, I might have a chance at 1st dibs. Twisted Evil

You have a good point there.............. It will probably work. Laughing
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Post  RapidRuss on May 27th 2010, 2:40 am

kjett wrote:Hmmm, I'm going to have to plug those numbers in to my combo and cam for future reference. Very Happy

LMAO Karl, You determend to get those heads on your Ranger arent you ! Smile

Why would you have to keep Dave supplied with SC Miricle water ? Isnt Franklin County Spring water good enough ? LOL.. Twisted Evil
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Post  dfree383 on May 27th 2010, 8:42 am

I ended up deciding to take a different route with the bottom end and have purchased some used probe FT's and a set of SCAT Hbeams. After Flowing the heads It made me a little shy about using the stock rods.

Heads

A429 Castings from R. Snowball $240 Snowball
Repair Stud Boss (Blake) $75 Blake
Valves (New) Ford Racing $225 Lem
Ret, Locks, Cups and Studs (New) Comp Cams $158 Lem
Springs (New) 930-16 Comp $105 DF
Guide Plates (Used) Manley 3/8 $15 DF
Valve Job & use of Flow Bench $225 Mike Phillips

Total Heads $1,043

Balance of Valvetrain

Rockers (Used) Harlin Sharp $100 Karl
Pushrods (Used) Comp 3/8 $50 DF
Lifters (New) Comp FT $70 DF
Cam (New) Cam Reasearch Custom $175 Scott Main
Timing Chain (Used) $35 DF

Total Valve Train $430


Short Block

Block Core & Timing Cover & Misc Parts (D1VE) $50 DF
Clean & Install CB/FP $125 Broughers
Bore and Hone .030 $230 Broughers
Pistons (Used) Probe FT $200 DF
Rods (Used) Scat 6.605 Hbeams $225 DF
Rings and Bearings $175 DF
Crank Core $75 Charlie
Cut Crank .010 $125 Broughers
Balancer (Used) SFI $60 DF
Balance Rotating Assembly $180 Broughers
Oil Pump & Shaft (New) $60 DF
Pan and Pick-up (Used) Canton Fox Pan $150 DF

Total Short Block $1,655


Finish it off

Intake (Used) Ford Racing 4500 $175 DF
Distributor Core (Used) Duraspark $20 DF
Rework Dist (Lock-out & install MSD Connector) $50 Charlie
Cap and Rotor $30 Parts Store
Spark Plug Wires (New) $65 DF
Spark Plugs (New) $17 DF
Gaskets (New) Ford Racing Kit $85 DF
Paint and Sealers (Allowance) $25 DF
Oil and filter (Rotella and Jomar) $39 DF
Valve Covers (Used) Chrome ford Racing $25 DF
Fuel Pump Block-off and Bolts $10 DF

Total Finish it Off $541

Total Project $3,669


Note : Reuse alof of stuff from the core motor
Crank Bolt and Spacer
Timing Cover and Hardware
Cam Retainer and Bolts
Dist Hold down & Various Hardware

I have not Included the following
Carb ( I have several to test) Dominator
Water Pump (Using a Used Electric one for Dyno Time)
Headers (Going to use 2" Dyno headers at Mikes shop)
Flex Plate or Flywheel (I Have a Flywheel for Dyno Use)

I should have everything assembled in the next few months and hopefully will get a day or two to hit the dyno and prove whats been done.

Any Guesses on HP & TQ Numbers?????? Cam specs are posted, flows are posted (still need to finish actual exhaust) and Compression will be in the 12:1 range.
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Post  torkair on May 28th 2010, 4:28 am

I'm guessing in the 650 hp and 590 tq range on race gas, add about 30 hp and 25 tq if using alky?
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Post  jbozzelle on May 28th 2010, 10:24 am

dfree383 wrote:Hears what the heads ended up flowing. As you can see a quality performance valve job is worth its weight in gold, I have not touched the intake ports except for the valve job. The valve job that was on these appeared to have only 2 angles and a sharp ridge, but the portwork itself looked rather nice. Lesson here is you get what you pay for in a valve job cost of the valve job $225

it should also be noted the intake valves on the befor did not have a backcut and the after numbers java a light backcut Nd that is also contributing to the excelent intake flows.

intake before valve job / after valve job.

.100 75 / 75
.200 143 / 169
.300 221 / 260
.400 293 / 319
.500 325 / 360
.600 349 / 384
.650 356 / 388
.700 358 / 391

exhaust before, after number are affected by a big ridge that need to be blended out, I'll post numbers after I get after them as the after numbers with the ridge where about the same as before. I expect improvements into the low 200's after I finish blending them.

.100 55
.200 119
.300 167
.400 186
.500 186
.600 188
.700 190


Guys,

Freelander was like a kid on Christmas when he flowed that first intake port and saw the numbers jump. He was running around the shop doing cartwheels...

I'm curious to see what the end result is. Did you get around to blending the exhaust bowl yet?

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Post  kjett on May 28th 2010, 11:11 am

The cartwheels may be from sippin left over miricle water. Wink

As for not finishing the exhast side, he's been too busy making sure I don't screw up my new motor. Smile
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Post  Nevs on May 28th 2010, 1:11 pm

Any Guesses on HP & TQ Numbers?????? Cam specs are posted, flows are posted (still need to finish actual exhaust) and Compression will be in the 12:1 range.

I'll say 700 hp/550tq depending on what carb you end up using...........she's going to want rpm............
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Post  kjett on June 1st 2010, 9:25 pm

Dave, is your block .030 or .060? Earlier you said it was .060 and now you list at .030. Either way, with that cam and flow numbers (it will obviously change after you fix the exhaust side) with a .030 block DD2000 gives you 666hp @ 6000 and 633tqe @ 5000. A .060 block gives you 666hp @ 6000 and 639tqe @ 5000. These numbers are on large tube headers and 1150 dommy.

Now put those heads on my .030 bottom end and solid roller cam, and it comes up with 688hp @ 6500 and 621tqe @ 5000 with the cam intalled 2* advanced. Very Happy
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Post  dfree383 on June 1st 2010, 9:30 pm

It's .030 the other one I was going to use is .060. What about 2" headers and a 1050?
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Post  kjett on June 1st 2010, 9:52 pm

Whoops, let me go back and fix my numbers. Embarassed I forgot that your cam was a solid flat and not a roller. Big change there!!!! Now that it's all right, with the 1050 and 2" open headers, it shows 643hp @ 6500 and 596tqe @ 5000. Going back up to the 1150 and 2 1/8" headers it just moves you to 647hp/598tqe.

Get me better exhaust numbers and I'll plug it in for you again. Very Happy
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Post  Maddmattmustangs on June 6th 2010, 10:16 pm

Im guessing some nay Sayers are going to be going home crying after this engine sings Laughing
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Post  dfree383 on June 6th 2010, 11:03 pm

Maddmattmustangs wrote:Im guessing some nay Sayers are going to be going home crying after this engine sings Laughing

Laughing You know you have to pay alot of money to make power Laughing
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Post  kjett on June 6th 2010, 11:06 pm

dfree383 wrote:
Maddmattmustangs wrote:Im guessing some nay Sayers are going to be going home crying after this engine sings Laughing

Laughing You know you have to pay alot of money to make power Laughing


You know it Rolling Eyes
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Post  plovett on June 17th 2010, 6:23 pm

Very cool project. cheers I say 660 hp and 575 ft/lbs.

I can't wait to hear the results.

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Post  richter69 on June 17th 2010, 10:41 pm

you should make some pulls with a good alky carb....just for the hell of it............. Very Happy
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Post  dfree383 on June 18th 2010, 7:20 am

Don't have one, you got one to try? Won't be for awhile, no time to dyno and still need to finish it.
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Post  bruno on June 30th 2010, 9:11 am

dfree383 wrote:Don't have one, you got one to try? Won't be for awhile, no time to dyno and still need to finish it.

i need to call patrick ..it would be cool to do an SV-1 test on your cheap mule

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