Ever wonder why this isn't all over the news ????

A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

Very well said Schmitty!

Bill

It is my belief that the 2 party system is a major part of the problem. Getting those two groups to work for the people hasn't happened for a long time.
Complaining is a start, it might help educate some of the uninformed. However some action of some type needs to happen! The easiest way is to vote, and the most important vote is the primary election. Get the imcumants out. Gone. There are small government types out there running. Here in KY we have a great chance with Rand Paul.

Don't worry.............. The majority of the people are already making a difference at the polls. It will get even better come November.

As far as health care. If you had total control over your health care money and you had an ailment. You would think twice about going to the doctor with a runny nose. people abuse the system because they can. The majority of the people here at work , got to the doctor every time they fart.

They never see the money spent. if they had a , were lets say a health savings plan, would they be so quick to go to the doctor? I think not. They would be more worried about not spending that money and saving up more for when they had a serious problem. And then when the did have to use it , they would shop around for the best price. If the doctors new that they had to be competitive the prices would come down.

When I was born it cost $200.00, what the hell has happened, the last time I looked at a woman's privates they still looked like they did when I was 20 years old, they still have babies the same way.

The answer to health care is put it back in the market place............... And get get the third generation welfare people off of welfare and illegals out of the er for free.

I'm not in line with the "Green" party but, I do agree with their political battle cry - "Re-Elect NOBODY".

schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

that is well put but have you priced the ins. you speak of?i have and it's dam sure not cheap to me.yes i could pay it but if i dont need it for a few years i could pay off my house with the money i gave them for nothen. if i were to need it i'd wish i had it would'nt i.

I try to stay off of rants in post but...The problem with health car is many layers. Goverment health care will not work and people get the health care they are used to. I work in healthcare as does my wife.They make the docters out to be the money grubbing bad guy's,which I know there are some of them out there.No one has seemed to mention that we as a whole get the best and brightest people in the general population to be out docters and other health care prof. the spend on a average of 6 to 8 yrs in medical school that is after ther 4 yr BA. Most leave college with huge amt. of debt,that it take yrs to pay off.Ever wounder why you see so may foreighn docters here? This country has the best medical schools in the WORLD ! They don't want to go back to their country.
No one seems to mention that a primary care M.D. has to write a check at the start of the yr for a little over $20000.00 so the can have
ins.That is if you are in a low risk sec. ie never sued I have no figures if you do surgery. Can anyone say trial lawyers.This does not even mention overhead.
The drug companies are given longer patients on drug than than any one can get on any thing else,then the have things such as CR or ER that they add to the drug and get 10 more yr's They need this to recoupe thier cost some drugs have a profit margin of 1000% can anyone say lobbiest! sound familar rember 2 yrs ago when the price of gas would go thru the roof when a tropical storm would come near the gulf? they needed that money to ensure a safe and economical supply of oil. The had record profit while everyone else went in the tank. We can all see how that turned out.If that was true then why can millions of barrels of oil gush out out daily into the gulf and the price of gas dropped?
If you want goverment in total control of your of health care look no futher than Canada.Rember the thing they tried it in Tenn.lasted a yr. I mean no disrespect to our vet's but look into the VA system. not many of you know but I am RN.and have spec in psychiatric field.We now see a lot more soldiers that we used to PTSD and other injurys of both body and mental. We spend more time trying to fix the mess they create and unwind all the RED TAPE they have wrapped the poor person in than treating them.
Yes there is waste in health care. Don't be fooled into thinking there is enough to do what they say.The major part of the waste is not even where the say it is.If this all goes thru you will likely see a true split of have and have not in health care. Hallelujah holy shit where is the tylenol !!!!!!!!

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schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

that is well put but have you priced the ins. you speak of?i have and it's dam sure not cheap to me.yes i could pay it but if i dont need it for a few years i could pay off my house with the money i gave them for nothen. if i were to need it i'd wish i had it would'nt i.

Yes I have, my father-in-law, who I work with, has had diabetes for over 30yrs, two major coronaries in the last 10yrs, his dad, who I also work with has a pacemaker, congestive heart failure, and failing kidneys. Luckily we don't have to pay for grandpa out of our pockets, he's 92 and on medicare, but we do have to pay considerable amounts for his prescriptions. At one time we were paying two premiums on my FIL because he was changing companies. Talk about spendy.

I do see the connection. There is act. alot of discussion with the phys. I know of dropping accepting any type ins. coverage and going to a cash only basis.These are well respected and established phys. in our area.Most people don't even realize that when they pay their $50.00 co. they have paid 80 to 90% of a reg office visit. Were you can get into trouble is major medical HOSP/SURGICAL. and maintaince medications.Guess where the is the most gov. Regulation. Did you know medicare medicaid allow a phys 3 whole days for for a hosp and phys to get you treated and discharged to somewhere THEY DON'T CARE WHERE or they stop paying no matter how sick the person is. Not knocking at any one with the ins. just makeing a point that this is goverment controled ins .guess whatsince Mcaid /care set this as standard of care bluecross and other ins. companies now do it as well. We need to do anything we can to stop this take over from happening. I'm not sayig there is not problems being adressed but dose anyone relly want to be on a 22 month waiting list to have their crushing chest pain or brain tumor looked at?

dr's wife racing wrote:I do see the connection. There is act. alot of discussion with the phys. I know of dropping accepting any type ins. coverage and going to a cash only basis.These are well respected and established phys. in our area.Most people don't even realize that when they pay their $50.00 co. they have paid 80 to 90% of a reg office visit. Were you can get into trouble is major medical HOSP/SURGICAL. and maintaince medications.Guess where the is the most gov. Regulation. Did you know medicare medicaid allow a phys 3 whole days for for a hosp and phys to get you treated and discharged to somewhere THEY DON'T CARE WHERE or they stop paying no matter how sick the person is. Not knocking at any one with the ins. just makeing a point that this is goverment controled ins .guess whatsince Mcaid /care set this as standard of care bluecross and other ins. companies now do it as well. We need to do anything we can to stop this take over from happening. I'm not sayig there is not problems being adressed but dose anyone relly want to be on a 22 month waiting list to have their crushing chest pain or brain tumor looked at?

going to cash would be good,then people would be real slow about runnen to the er or doctor for a cold. our local er is full of the same bunch a dick's looken for pain med's they can get with tenncare/taxcare as i like to call it.good worken people cant get it but the low life's get it free.