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Post  John I. on February 16th 2011, 10:34 pm

I have a 1979 F150 with a 460 that I will be converting to a 545 in the future - when I can afford it. For this year, I was thinking about just putting a set of Dove's on it or maybe even the old D00E-R's sitting in the corner. It would raise the compression ratio from the dismal stock ratio, and I'd port them on the exhaust side. I've already got headers on it and, (in anticipation of 545 inches) a stealth intake. Before you laugh about a stealth on a stock 460, it picked up 3 tenths... :-)
It's running mid 15's right now, I'd like to go into the 14's this year to hold my interest. Would probably put a mild cam in it too.
What do you guys think, would this work? It wouldn't be able to rev very high because of the cast pistons, but I think it would wake it up...I have the heads and don't mind the work.

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Re: Dove heads on stock 460

Post  Frank Merkl on February 16th 2011, 11:01 pm

Well if you'd come over we could discuss this over a bottle of whiskey and a bottle of vodka. Heck by the end of the night the truck would be running 9's!!!
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Re: Dove heads on stock 460

Post  John I. on February 16th 2011, 11:04 pm

Easy 9's!
I'm coming over for a gab and some drinkin' in the next few days, I'll call you. Now quit hi-jacking my thread.

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Post  NO FAIR on February 16th 2011, 11:12 pm

Hey Frank can you post that video of that 7 second pass again?
That was cool
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Re: Dove heads on stock 460

Post  Frank Merkl on February 16th 2011, 11:17 pm

Okay here you go

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Post  Frank Merkl on February 16th 2011, 11:25 pm

John ,just about came out to your place Sat nite , was on a cruise with my sled and stopped at Patrica for a drink but ended up over a Casey's instead
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Post  Mark Laczo on February 16th 2011, 11:34 pm

John,

Make sure you get over there next time come down to pick up my tranny and some alfalfa seed as I haven't met you face to face yet. We can do some bench racing over a few sasperillas.

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Post  res0rli9 on February 17th 2011, 2:11 am

Frank Merkl wrote:Okay here you go

Frank do you have an outside pic of the car going down track.
sorry for the high jack.

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Post  Mark Laczo on February 17th 2011, 8:07 am

John I. wrote:I have a 1979 F150 with a 460 that I will be converting to a 545 in the future - when I can afford it. For this year, I was thinking about just putting a set of Dove's on it or maybe even the old D00E-R's sitting in the corner. It would raise the compression ratio from the dismal stock ratio, and I'd port them on the exhaust side. I've already got headers on it and, (in anticipation of 545 inches) a stealth intake. Before you laugh about a stealth on a stock 460, it picked up 3 tenths... :-)
It's running mid 15's right now, I'd like to go into the 14's this year to hold my interest. Would probably put a mild cam in it too.
What do you guys think, would this work? It wouldn't be able to rev very high because of the cast pistons, but I think it would wake it up...I have the heads and don't mind the work.

Putting the Dove heads on will raise the comp ratio from a stock 7.9 to about 9.2 or so. I have done this a couple times but also changed cams. If you go with the thinnest head gaskets you can find for tighter quench and then a cam from either the Comp extreme 4x4 line or I think Randy M and Scotty use the Lunati Voodoo line you should really feel a seat of the pants difference. I can't really comment on how much you gain 1/4 wise as I have limited experience there LOL. The more you port the heads the better, do you have a set of Dove's already ? Oh remember to put the early 1970 timing chain on also.

FWIW Later Mark

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Post  schmitty on February 17th 2011, 8:25 am

Frank Merkl wrote:Well if you'd come over we could discuss this over a bottle of whiskey and a bottle of vodka. Heck by the end of the night the truck would be running 9's!!!
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Post  res0rli9 on February 17th 2011, 9:09 am

schmitty wrote:
Frank Merkl wrote:Well if you'd come over we could discuss this over a bottle of whiskey and a bottle of vodka. Heck by the end of the night the truck would be running 9's!!!
Frank
What brand of whiskey, and when? Very Happy

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Post  nickbay on February 17th 2011, 11:23 am

John I. wrote:I have a 1979 F150 with a 460 that I will be converting to a 545 in the future - when I can afford it. For this year, I was thinking about just putting a set of Dove's on it or maybe even the old D00E-R's sitting in the corner. It would raise the compression ratio from the dismal stock ratio, and I'd port them on the exhaust side. I've already got headers on it and, (in anticipation of 545 inches) a stealth intake. Before you laugh about a stealth on a stock 460, it picked up 3 tenths... :-)
It's running mid 15's right now, I'd like to go into the 14's this year to hold my interest. Would probably put a mild cam in it too.
What do you guys think, would this work? It wouldn't be able to rev very high because of the cast pistons, but I think it would wake it up...I have the heads and don't mind the work.
It would wake it up. On my 77 460, I put the dove heads on with only a mild grinding out of the exhaust bump. I did not do a before and after test at the track, but it felt stronger for sure, and ran 12.3 with the iron heads on my 67 mustang with a 212/224 duration cam. It revs out to about 5400 rpm's.

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Post  Mark Laczo on February 17th 2011, 12:18 pm

Excellent low end and mid range torque and HP, good
idle, daily usage and off road, towing, performance and
fuel efficiency, marine performance, mild supercharged,
2200-2600 cruise RPM, 8.75 to 10.5 compression ratio
advised. Dur@.050"/Adv/lift
H-272-2 1800-5400 Intake 216 272 .518" on a 112 lobe sep
Exhaust 228 284 .513"

John this is a Crane grind I used before getting on any 460 site I built this engine in about 1996-97. It is a 1979 F-250 4x4 standard with 3.54 gears and 33 tires. This gives it a nice cruise speed of 70mph at about 2700RPM's loaded. I use this truck to pull my 16" stock trailer and haul around 7500lbs payload which is 5 CharX cows. I rev is regularly for the past 10+ years to 5500 doing the 3rd to 4th shift. When very hot in the summer I will run 91 octane but normally 87 dyed farm fuel. I usually can stay right with the diesel boys although they are carrying a larger load like 7 or 8 cows. These Dove heads have been ported a little on intake and more so on exhaust but no flow numbers. I am running a 780 vac sec on the old offy 360 but am going to upgrade to a Performer and headers. The parts are on the shelf just need to get at it. LOL. Maybe the newer Comp Ext 4x4 or Lunati Voodoo grinds are better but that is the route I went in 1996. Another good cam if you are not towing is the FMS A443 you may want to look into it. Maybe a nice little solid flat would work better. Just my experience but the cam guys would really be the way to go IMO. Hope this helps.

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Re: Dove heads on stock 460

Post  rmcomprandy on February 17th 2011, 12:29 pm

The D0VE heads will be a good addition.
Just using a straight-up timing set will gain a bunch of power so be sure you have one ... being that this is a step along the way, simply use the Summit cam kit #SUM-K3500; (only $100.00 US).

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Re: Dove heads on stock 460

Post  John I. on February 17th 2011, 5:57 pm

Gee, only took 9 replies to get my thread back! Haha, yes Mark, we will have to meet up soon. Thanks for the recomends on the cam, looking for something not too choppy, and I don't want to grind valve reliefs. There's no machine shops around here that will do the multi-angle, so I would have to do it myself. Did a set 20 years ago and I still remember the grunt work. I wasn't sure what the comp ratio would be, thought it would be higher, forgot about the 10.33 deck height...9.2 would be perfect. The truck has dual tanks, and I'll be running farm fuel in the one, and premium in the other. I'll just switch tanks when I pull into Redcliff.
I don't have Dove heads, I have some C9's, same difference except for the bigger spark plugs. These things have studs (positive stop) and guide plates...ahhh, the good old days when passenger car heads mattered! I've been watching the for sale sections here and at Chilly's for some ready to run Dove's, but any I've found were too far away. Thought it might be cheaper to get some ready to run than pay the high machine shop costs up in the great white north.
Here's a pic of the truck, it's an e-bay find out of Sacramento.

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The 20 inch rims and tires have been replaced with normal, "American" stuff lol

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