588ci P51 N/A Deal Makes 1042hp with 2 inch Tri Y Headers..some more info on combo.

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Post  Lem Evans on July 24th 2018, 3:55 pm

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Lem do you know how much lift you can practically run with the 2.25 valve in the p51 head before you run out of spring in relation to installed height coil bind etc..?

The usual race roller spring I put in the P51 package is the PAC 1224. It should allow at least .850" net lift when installed at 2.00". A guy could jack around with keepers and stuff and get some more.

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Post  nascar429 on July 25th 2018, 11:34 am

Thanks Guys..

I Didn't realize .850"lift was possible with those valves with a bit of playing around that's great to know..








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Post  Gary Blair on October 17th 2018, 8:13 am

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dfree383 wrote:I’ve just never seen those kind of #’s with a victor and small headers, plus it’s odd seeing it peak at 7100.

From what I can see in the pictures the intake doesn’t look to have heavy external mod’s

I'm not going to say it's not legit, after the bashing's I'v had on my numbers, but an un-modded Victor going to 7100 at 588 inch is going to be very tuff to do.

I saw that too. Wink
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Post  68galaxie on October 17th 2018, 10:35 am

Nowhere did I see that it was claimed the Victor manifold was "out of the box".
16:1 CR, big camshaft, big valves etc.. I suspect the manifold was not OTB.

As Randy M has stated previously:

"I have personally run a big bore 588 Ford on the dyno with those heads and a greatly modified Victor manifold, (anyone would have difficulty seeing the mods from the exterior), which peaked horsepower at 7,200 RPM. Not that much, though; (it was just under a 1,000 horsepower)."

The Victor has room to get 4.4 sq inches at plenum tapering to 4 square inches at the gasket flange.
The modified victor was worth 20+ cfm when flow tested on the head (A429). 380+ cfm @ 0.800" with manifold attached.
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Post  Gary Blair on October 17th 2018, 11:28 am

68galaxie wrote:Nowhere did I see that it was claimed the Victor manifold was "out of the box".
16:1 CR, big camshaft, big valves etc.. I suspect the manifold was not OTB.

As Randy M has stated previously:

"I have personally run a big bore 588 Ford on the dyno with those heads and a greatly modified Victor manifold, (anyone would have difficulty seeing the mods from the exterior), which peaked horsepower at 7,200 RPM. Not that much, though; (it was just under a 1,000 horsepower)."

The Victor has room to get 4.4 sq inches at plenum tapering to 4 square inches at the gasket flange.
The modified victor was worth 20+ cfm when flow tested on the head (A429). 380+ cfm @ 0.800" with manifold attached.

How would you tune the runner length without external mods?
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Post  68galaxie on October 17th 2018, 11:49 am

There probably is room for more power output with a "tuned" runner length intake. I will not argue there.

Many of the newer manifold designs have an elongated plenum and runners are nearly the same length.
The Victor and mafia intakes both do not have identical length runners.

I would suspect with a tuned/welded intake he would have made more power.



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Post  away on October 17th 2018, 1:48 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
nascar429 wrote:
Lem do you know how much lift you can practically run with the 2.25 valve in the p51 head before you run out of spring in relation to installed height coil bind etc..?

The usual race roller spring I put in the P51 package is the PAC 1224. It should allow at least .850" net lift when installed at 2.00". A guy could jack around with keepers and stuff and get some more.    

I was looking at specs on PAC springs- the PAC 1224 and the PAC 1324 have the same specs-why the price difference? Which is better? Why? Can't get through to their tech dept so I figured I would ask here.
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Post  Lem Evans on October 17th 2018, 1:56 pm

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Lem Evans wrote:
nascar429 wrote:
Lem do you know how much lift you can practically run with the 2.25 valve in the p51 head before you run out of spring in relation to installed height coil bind etc..?

The usual race roller spring I put in the P51 package is the PAC 1224. It should allow at least .850" net lift when installed at 2.00". A guy could jack around with keepers and stuff and get some more.    

I was looking at specs on PAC springs- the PAC 1224 and the PAC 1324 have the same specs-why the price difference?  Which is better?  Why? Can't get through to their tech dept so I figured I would ask here.

Surface treatment I suspect......polished or some other jazz.

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Post  nascar429 on October 19th 2018, 9:23 pm

I talked briefly to the guy who modified the manifold ..it's a $1500 job at least to modify the Victor manifold cut shut welding porting etc..after the manifold and heads were modified (lots of work) he claims to have achieved 440 cfm with the manifold (attached) believe it or not...

Racing is starting soon so hopefully I'll see the car in action and have a good look at the manifold maybe get some pic's..

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Post  bigford632 on October 20th 2018, 8:53 am

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Lem Evans wrote:
nascar429 wrote:
Lem do you know how much lift you can practically run with the 2.25 valve in the p51 head before you run out of spring in relation to installed height coil bind etc..?

The usual race roller spring I put in the P51 package is the PAC 1224. It should allow at least .850" net lift when installed at 2.00". A guy could jack around with keepers and stuff and get some more.    

I was looking at specs on PAC springs- the PAC 1224 and the PAC 1324 have the same specs-why the price difference?  Which is better?  Why? Can't get through to their tech dept so I figured I would ask here.

This is from their catalog...

1200 - PAC’s standard HP processing without sacrificing performance

1300 - Premium processed with Nano-PeenTM spring technology for enhanced durability and exotic heat treatment for minimal load loss

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Post  nascar429 on October 27th 2018, 7:34 am





Well didn't get to see it race had to work, my sister in law sent me a pic of the time it went on one of it's first passes tonight on a test an tune..

8.78 at 155.58 in the Qtr with the new engine combo from the dyno session..

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Post  nascar429 on October 27th 2018, 9:33 pm



video my sister in law recorded from last night..she is crazy about drag racing.. Very Happy

Of the said engine from this thread in the car on its first meet..we use kilometer (Metric) here that converts to 155.58 miles

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Post  351crules on October 27th 2018, 9:58 pm

those tri y headers used in that car?

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Post  nascar429 on October 27th 2018, 10:12 pm

Pretty sure there still running the Tri y headers that's what they have run for years.

I'll check it out at the track next time have a good look at the modded manifold and headers..

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Post  351crules on October 27th 2018, 11:10 pm

nascar429 wrote:Pretty sure there still running the Tri y headers that's what they have run for years.

I'll check it out at the track next time have a good look at the modded manifold and headers..

cool

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Post  Mark Miller on October 27th 2018, 11:50 pm

nascar429 wrote:

video my sister in law recorded from last night..she is crazy about drag racing.. Very Happy

Of the said engine from this thread in the car on its first meet..we use kilometer (Metric) here that converts to 155.58 miles


Looked like quite a bit of wheelspin on that pass!!! Smile

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Post  DILLIGASDAVE on October 28th 2018, 2:35 am

Mark Miller wrote:............Looked like quite a bit of wheelspin on that pass!!! Smile

Wheelie bar induced wheel-speed.
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