i need help finding the best 460 block

bigmichael1 on July 9th 2010, 5:09 pm

hi all i need help i want to build my frist drag car i doing it with my kids i want to do a 95 towncar i going to go with a big block more for the low end tork to get it moveing any way i looking at the 460 big block just woundering what the best year block to go with i can get one out of a 92 E450 van will this be a ok block or shoud i go with a older motor from the 60's to 70's block or is there any diff between them thank
mike from wisconsin sorry about my spelling

bb429power on July 9th 2010, 5:16 pm

The older ones like the 60's and 70's are better. They are internally balanced and they are more quality made casts. Also, the newer blocks have the cylinders extended into the crankcase more so that's a downfall. It takes away from its stroking capabillities, unless you want to machine it. Look for an early block and if you can get a cj or scj block. They have thicker main webs.

I'll let the hero get his cape on, Fabio (richter69) will be here before you know it to answer all your questions and then some. He's the BIG DOG of the forum.

69F100 on July 9th 2010, 5:24 pm

1st what kind of HP and what rpms you plaining on running any 460 will do just depend on what you are going to build

96Mustang460cid on July 9th 2010, 5:26 pm

bb429power wrote:The older ones like the 60's and 70's are better. They are internally balanced and they are more quality made casts. Also, the newer blocks have the cylinders extended into the crankcase more so that's a downfall. It takes away from its stroking capabillities, unless you want to machine it. Look for an early block and if you can get a cj or scj block. They have thicker main webs.

I'll let the hero get his cape on, Fabio (richter69) will be here before you know it to answer all your questions and then some. He's the BIG DOG of the forum.

I highly doubt I'm the, "BIG DOG" you referenced, but I'll chime in anyways.

Even with the newer blocks (D9TE), you can go with a 4.5" stroke without grinding...so I don't think the longer cylinders are a downfall. In fact, for a stroker application, most would see it as being advantageous (some may argue how 'large' of an advantage though).

Also, I don't think the older blocks are higher quality castings. A block summit a few years ago, if I remember right, shown no specific casting as being predisposed to thicker cylinder walls (I'm not sure about the CJ and SCJ).

I'm sure others will chime in. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I'll get to see the "BIG DOG" put his $0.04 on the subject Smile

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Have a good day!
Michael

bb429power on July 9th 2010, 5:32 pm

96Mustang460cid wrote:
bb429power wrote:The older ones like the 60's and 70's are better. They are internally balanced and they are more quality made casts. Also, the newer blocks have the cylinders extended into the crankcase more so that's a downfall. It takes away from its stroking capabillities, unless you want to machine it. Look for an early block and if you can get a cj or scj block. They have thicker main webs.

I'll let the hero get his cape on, Fabio (richter69) will be here before you know it to answer all your questions and then some. He's the BIG DOG of the forum.

I highly doubt I'm the, "BIG DOG" you referenced, but I'll chime in anyways.

Even with the newer blocks (D9TE), you can go with a 4.5" stroke without grinding...so I don't think the longer cylinders are a downfall. In fact, for a stroker application, most would see it as being advantageous (some may argue how 'large' of an advantage though).

Also, I don't think the older blocks are higher quality castings. A block summit a few years ago, if I remember right, shown no specific casting as being predisposed to thicker cylinder walls (I'm not sure about the CJ and SCJ).

I'm sure others will chime in. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I'll get to see the "BIG DOG" put his $0.04 on the subject .

Have a good day!
Michael

Well I have a 71 block and when I would tell someone (they were all BBF experts) the year of it. They would tell me it was a good block, they said the earlier years are better because they were made before Ford started cheaping out and mixing nickle in with the cast. I could be wrong but that's where I got the idea from.

And I called him the "BIG DOG" because everyone seems to idolize him as the best racer on here. I guess he's the expert, he is a A+ know it all racer from what I have seen and heard.

96Mustang460cid on July 9th 2010, 5:41 pm

bb429power wrote:Well I have a 71 block and when I would tell someone (they were all BBF experts) the year of it. They would tell me it was a good block, they said the earlier years are better because they were made before Ford started cheaping out and mixing nickle in with the cast. I could be wrong but that's where I got the idea from.

And I called him the "BIG DOG" because everyone seems to idolize him as the best racer on here. I guess he's the expert, he is a A+ know it all racer from what I have seen and heard.

Actually, nickel would normally be a positive in that application;). You might find this thread interesting:

http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146739&highlight=nickel

I was just poking fun at Jon with ya Wink

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Have a good day!
Michael

96Mustang460cid on July 9th 2010, 5:44 pm

bb429power wrote:And I called him the "BIG DOG" because everyone seems to idolize him as the best racer on here. I guess he's the expert, he is a A+ know it all racer from what I have seen and heard.

Also, I wouldn't give him too much credit...mainly, he just talks a lot a !hit to people Razz

. Okay, that's all the !hit talking I'm doing for this month!

Have a good day!
Michael

DanH on July 9th 2010, 5:52 pm

bb429power , don't know where you get this info , but should do more reading in the tech-- on the forums that posting .

bb429power on July 9th 2010, 6:45 pm

That's one of the things I learned from word of mouth. Like I said, I was told those things. But I read a million things about engines mainly BBF's so I do know my way around for the majority of things. I hear ya 96mustang Wink

I'll read up on that also. The information I got about the longer cylinders and not being able to stroke it as much I got from another forum. It seems like the ONLY things I learn from other people except from on here ends up being wrong. Or so I am told by the people on here which they are usually right.

schmitty on July 9th 2010, 7:11 pm

Big Daddy AC here, and Michael Dunn is correct. The factory blocks are equally capable. The BOSS and 4 bolt SCJ stuff being more desirable for their 4 bolt mains. I am using a D9TE block and had no trouble installing my 4.5" crank. A problem can arrise when trying to install an early internal balance crank into a later model block. Always check clearances. Cool

dfree383 on July 9th 2010, 7:16 pm

If the 92 block is priced right, it's as good as any other non boss or non scj block. They do have longer cylinders and external balance, plus the early internal factory cranks will not fit without alot of grinding.

The higher nickle thing is total bs urban legand.

The early dove blocks, (read some 429 cj & PI and all scj's) had 4 bolt mains, all outers and most cj's had 2 bolt mains, these blocks are the easiest to convert to 4 bolt mAins due to the bulkheads / rails being conpletly flat.

2 bolt blocks are pretty safe to 750 hp and have been used at much greater levels.

514Fox87 on July 9th 2010, 7:17 pm

If you go to Proven Builds and look at the block sticky it will lay it out for ya.

dfree383 on July 9th 2010, 7:23 pm

Down side to the 92 motor is the heads, the are unique to the 460 efi motor and intakes and headers do not interchange with stuff produced for early / carb'd 429/460's. Their are no intake avaliable for the efi heads.

They work well but its the parts avalibility that's keeps them from being used in most performance applications.

bb429power on July 9th 2010, 7:25 pm

schmitty wrote:Big Daddy AC here, and Michael Dunn is correct. The factory blocks are equally capable. The BOSS and 4 bolt SCJ stuff being more desirable for their 4 bolt mains. I am using a D9TE block and had no trouble installing my 4.5" crank. A problem can arrise when trying to install an early internal balance crank into a later model block. Always check clearances.

I knew that, but that's why I figured you couldn't stroke it as much because I figured the throws o a larger crank would be out farther. Never assume! That's the lesson.

bb429power on July 9th 2010, 7:31 pm

I hate when someone tells you something and you thank them and think "they really helped me out there and they really tought me something too" and then you find out its complete BS.

Well I know about the newer heads in comparison to the older ones as in D3VE vs. D0VE and how they flow different and what each is better for.

Thanks for helping me teaching me something in the process, I'll be told I know a lot then this crap happens. Even stuff I read in books can turn out wrong, I guess like I've said before. It the experience that's got me down, that's where you learn most of it. Smile

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