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Post  cool40 on July 27th 2010, 8:20 pm

i got new bolts from Lem for my rods cuz i realy didnt know how old or used they are.i just torqued them before to 65#.now i have new bolts with instructions! they say tq to 30# then pull 42* on a tq angle,i bought a new one today and it's easy to use BUT,i used my tq wrench to pull the 42* and about shit when i saw the tq# at 30* so i quit. is it normal for the wsb oliver bolts to be over 75#? i'm not sure how high it'll be @42*,just wanted opinions before i kill a new set of bolts.thanks confused

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Re: torque angle

Post  Lem Evans on July 27th 2010, 8:23 pm

I do not have a perfect answer but , I would not tq less that 75# with the proper lube.

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Re: torque angle

Post  cool40 on July 27th 2010, 8:28 pm

Lem Evans wrote:I do not have a perfect answer but , I would not tq less that 75# with the proper lube.
i'll go the 42*'s if it's normal for them to be that high tq.it looks like they'll be 85-90#. affraid hell the main studs were only 90#with the lube that came with them.

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Re: torque angle

Post  Lem Evans on July 27th 2010, 8:33 pm

I do not know if they need to be 85....not less than 75 is what i know.
The mains at 90# is what is gonna screw you Wink

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Post  cool40 on July 27th 2010, 8:36 pm

Lem Evans wrote:I do not know if they need to be 85....not less than 75 is what i know.
The mains at 90# is what is gonna screw you Wink
you dont think i'm gona listen to the instructions do you? Laughing

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Post  Curt on July 27th 2010, 8:55 pm

Maybe is was 90 lbs plus 42°

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Post  Lem Evans on July 27th 2010, 9:01 pm

65# is too little...in this application.

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Post  cool40 on July 27th 2010, 9:05 pm

Lem Evans wrote:65# is too little...in this application.
thats what i ran last time with the old bolts,lucky i guess.i'll go the 42* and see what it ends up at.just wanted some opinions.thanks Smile

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Re: torque angle

Post  BradB on July 29th 2010, 5:36 pm

Whatever method you decide on, tighten 1 up w/o a bearing in it and check to see if the I.D. of the rod is round and to size at that tightness. Use the bolt stretch gage if you want to see where you're at for sure, if you can afford to replace those wsb bolts you can afford a gage. lol Good luck

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Re: torque angle

Post  cool40 on July 29th 2010, 9:58 pm

BradB wrote:Whatever method you decide on, tighten 1 up w/o a bearing in it and check to see if the I.D. of the rod is round and to size at that tightness. Use the bolt stretch gage if you want to see where you're at for sure, if you can afford to replace those wsb bolts you can afford a gage. lol Good luck
good point,thanks. Smile

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Torque Angle

Post  crazmo on July 30th 2010, 9:36 pm

I've been running Oliver rods for years. I always use torque/angle to get close, but use a micrometer with a vernier scale that can be read to .ooo1" resolution to measure the resulting bolt stretch. At the end of the day, stretch is what you are striving for because it is directly related to how much force (preload) is on the bolt.

You'd be surprised at how inconsistent the amount of torque that's required to achieve the correct results. That, of course, is why you don't use torque to set the bolt preload if you need precise results.

I create a simple chart to record the free length of each bolt, its position in the engine, the target stretch value, and the angle that was necessary to achieve the target. Each year, when I teardown, inspect, and clean my engine, I keep the bolts in the same order and compare the measurements to the previous year's assembly.

If you want to do the job right, follow Oliver's instructions to the letter AND measure the resulting stretch. You'll sleep better.

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