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Post  nenu12 March 1st 2023, 10:39 pm

Hello. Recently picked up that 429 4v (apparently TJ, C9VE-A heads, C9VE-B block) but don't know what car is coming from. Have been trying to get some pictures on internet of this engine (featuring the same air cleaner sticker) already mounted on a Mercury but didn't find anything. Does someone know what car that engine is coming from? Thx429 4v identification 32974910
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Post  BBFTorino March 2nd 2023, 12:03 am

Don't know exactly what car it came from, but it came from something that is a full-size vehicle, like a big Mercury Grand Marquis, or a Colony Park station wagon, or a Marauder.

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Post  dfree383 March 2nd 2023, 1:41 am

That is a cool air cleaner decal
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Post  supervel45 March 2nd 2023, 5:48 am

I'd say the air cleaner came from a CJ non Ram Air Cyclone/Cougar family. As for as the engine, might be out of any 1969 to early 70 FoMoCo car.

https://www.autopaper.com/1970-mercury-performance-sales-brochure-cougar-eliminator-cyclone-gt-spoiler.php

^Click on the pics in the link and you can scroll through the brochure.

Reproduction Sticker, below.

https://www.ecklers.com/air-cleaner-decal-mercury-429-4v-cyclone-41-47900-1.html?T5_Var1=Catch+All&T5_Var2=search&T5_Var4=41-47900-1&gclid=CjwKCAiAr4GgBhBFEiwAgwORrfnXpYS6aAH9SETc5G5ur81I4Qv2bC4iK3IRCaj-GzNhh-fHtGxKHBoCEBYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&utm_campaign=Shop+-+Ecklers+-+No+Vehicle+S+Low+Tier&utm_content=%7CEcklers&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=PRODUCT_GROUP

Only see the Ram Air pics in Google land.

PS: An air cleaner does not make it a 429. Check the crankshaft for a 4U (429) or a 2Y (460) casting mark.

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Post  supervel45 March 2nd 2023, 10:12 am

Try to find the partial VIN on the back of the cylinder block. See first link item (4).

http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/decoding.htm

The next link gives more Ford/Mercury  VIN info. It's from 1969.

http://www.mercurystuff.com/pdfs/1969-ford-lincoln-mercury-vehicle-identification.pdf

That's probably clear as mud but, maybe it will help some.

All you will get from the block number is the year and the plant code. If you do enough research, you may rule out certain models. The last 6 digits of that number is the production serial number, I believe, same as the last of the VIN number.

The 3rd 4th and 5th numbers/letter of the VIN, not on the block, are the body type and engine code.

The engine should be a run of the mill high compression N code 429 or A code 460. It is not coded into the block number though.

If that air cleaner and decal is original, that is very rare.

Someone may have blown up their non Ram Air 429CJ and swapped engines to a regular 429/460?

Maybe someone found a wrecked one in the junk yard and thought it would be cool on his ride?

Or a reproduction sticker that set out in the weather?

There is quite a bit of info for Ford/Mercury part numbers on the CJ/SCJ air cleaners around They are stamped on them. Especially the Ram Air stuff.

I think it's a 1970/71 Cyclone. Scroll down the link to 1970 halfway down the page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Cyclone#1970

Unless someone had some pull with their local Mercury dealer and special ordered it on another Mercury.

Below is an X100. Notice no CJ on the decal. CJ's in those would be the "special" deal I mentioned above from a government/fleet or "high roller" order.

https://twitter.com/Mercomatic/status/1526682850975592448

Does not look like a 1971 Mercury Police Interceptor either and they where 429 CJ's one year only.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-267417/1971-mercury-monterey-custom-indiana-state-trooper/





Post up some numbers when you get time.

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Post  nenu12 March 2nd 2023, 6:27 pm

Thanks all.

@supervel45 Thanks a lot for the information that was very helpful but still couldn't decode exactly where that engine is coming from. The whole stamped number is 9Z619824 so first digit it's a "9" (1969) second digit a "Z" (St. Louis) and the first serial number digit a "6". According to the following information only light trucks and MPVs were built to St Louis (Hazelwood, Missouri). Because of I am a new member I can't share any link from where I got the information but please check out the screenshot.

By the way I also have a C6 transmission that was coming with (same serial number on both engine and transmission).

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I also saw several similiar pictures of that air cleaner deca,l but without "CJ" on it.
The intake manifold number is C8SE-9425-B that apparently comes from a thunderbird.

Any suggestions?

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Post  supervel45 March 2nd 2023, 11:34 pm

Does that C6 have a steel tail shaft housing? Check the letter of the servo piston?

List of St. Louis Historical products.

I noticed the C8 intake. Ford will do that, mixing parts. My 429 was a D1 block with D2 heads. It's a Mercury 2bbl. I need to go dig out the intake and check the casting number.

Bunkie at Ford had all kinds of irons in the fire, with these big block cars until he got fired in 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Assembly_Plant

^Looks like 5 good candidates in there.


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Post  supervel45 March 3rd 2023, 12:42 am

If you want to narrow it down more, you need to pull the oil pan and check the crank casting number to find out if it is a 429 or 460. 460's did not go into trucks until 1973, and Medium duty Truck 429's came after that with D9TE blocks, so that rules out trucks. All 429 CJ's are DO and D1 casting numbers, so not going to be that.

Check the air cleaner for part numbers that start with D.

If the transmission number match's the block number, I would think the air cleaner was swapped on, or someone threw a reproduction sticker on it years ago.

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Post  nenu12 March 3rd 2023, 2:27 pm

Good morning @supervel45.

Pulled the oil pan today morning and can now confirm it's a 429ci. Crank has a "4U" casting mark. Feeling better now I thinked for a moment it could be a 460 haha.
The C6 transmission has a steel tail housing and the letter stamped on the servo piston is a "D".

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Post  supervel45 March 3rd 2023, 3:30 pm

Clean that valve cover sticker off and post a picture of it. I would like to see what it says.

I believe R was the CJ servo and H the Police Interceptor one.

Not sure what to make of the steel tail shaft housing. Maybe something with the 1969 X100's?

See if the input shaft will go in, in either direction? It should, on the that year, and early C6's, just don't put it in backwards on accident. Sometimes they get swapped out on a rebuild with the late model low count clutch drums and the dual splined shaft.




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Post  supervel45 March 3rd 2023, 3:52 pm

Check out this 1971 429CJ. You have to click the pic in the link to see the closeup. Look at the pic that shows how many like that were made. Interesting with chrome lid.

https://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=27984

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Post  427John March 4th 2023, 3:40 pm

69 MY precludes CJ and also limits it to full size Ford, Merc or Tbird smaller Fords and Mercs still used the FE for 69.The autolite 4300 carb also points to TJet, I'm thinking the decal was put on or the lid was swapped, I was under the impression that the non ram air HP air cleaners had the auxiliary air door in the driver side like the earlier non ram air 428CJ, Boss 302, and later 351CJ and 429-460PI engines. Over the years I've see lots of instances where the air cleaner lid decal didn't match the engine it was on they're just too easy to swap.

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Post  djjsc March 4th 2023, 6:36 pm

[quote="nenu12"]Hello. Recently picked up that 429 4v (apparently TJ, C9VE-A heads, C9VE-B block) but don't know what car is coming from. Have been trying to get some pictures on internet of this engine (featuring the same air cleaner sticker) already mounted on a Mercury but didn't find anything. Does someone know what car that engine is coming from? Thx

Odd mix of parts in your pics. Intake/carb are ThunderJet; air cleaner is Mercury CobraJet. I would guess air cleaner was added @ some point. Have a boo @ upper LH (drivers) block surface; will be an 8 digit STAMPED # there. What is it?

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Post  supervel45 March 4th 2023, 7:11 pm

He put the block number up earlier, buried up there.

9Z619824 Block Number

The 1970 Model Year 429CJ was being built in 1969. Maybe someone grabbed the wrong box of stickers and put a few of them on a regular 429? It would be an easy mistake as they look almost the same.

I went and checked my 429 2V 1972 Mercury intake and the casting number is C9AE-9425-A.

As far as I know that engine was never molested when I got it. It had a D1 block and D2 heads.

As to the OP's carburetor it checks to Mercury also.

https://www.stockwiseauto.com/standard-motor-products-433b-carburetor-repair-kit?Year=1969&Make=Mercury&Model=Marauder

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Post  djjsc March 4th 2023, 9:33 pm


9Z619824 translates 1969 model year Mercury fr St Louis Assembly, which at that time was assembling Mercury Marquis, Mercury Monterey & Mercury Marauder. Pretty sure one couldn't get a CJ anything in any of them. 619824 would match the last 6 digits of complete VIN to the originally installed into car......... provided same VIN had same yr & assembly plant code.

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Post  supervel45 March 4th 2023, 9:54 pm

djjsc wrote:
9Z619824 translates 1969 model year Mercury fr St Louis Assembly, which at that time was assembling Mercury Marquis, Mercury Monterey & Mercury Marauder.   Pretty sure one couldn't get a CJ anything in any of them.  619824 would match the last 6 digits of complete VIN to the originally installed into car......... provided same VIN had same yr & assembly plant code.



Never have heard of a 429CJ in any 1969 anything. I believe he was trying to figure out the engine and if the air cleaner ever came on a latter year model CJ. Without the driver side air valve, I would agree it did not, or at least it should not have unless the factory screwed up.



Hey OP, does that C6 steel tail shaft housing have any numbers like this on it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234800901122?hash=item36ab396c02%3Ag%3ATI8AAOSw-8djhp65&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsMrTgk5NtRUPWkHci6xnm5CLCSKErQnU%2F2q1yyN91u3wzqWzw7sNug5STYwKHxmcqJ%2BI79U%2B7gJOO9ZhNPum%2F8TtYhAsu7pVicg%2B2HrYVeGJLofRC6q7LC1sfIG5OJJ8Qa7gdHRcmYzDj6JfVCxc%2B0DCPjqv1sZHg7gM%2BJmtn%2FaLgk5hmVFqXll1XucrIfA1Th0bw0URiQ%2F8Ft7vdbWf1Hk5vEDSaDsu26EuqGr4AWsG%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5jc_fbVYQ&nma=true&si=yPVBAYRv8ky0h4KAbaa1TDESTtg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

That's the most valuable part of the whole deal if they are the same in my opinion.

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Post  supervel45 March 5th 2023, 2:51 pm

Does not look like they made any T-Birds in St. Louis.

https://automotivemileposts.com/prod1969tbird.html

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Post  427John March 5th 2023, 8:01 pm

supervel45 wrote:Does not look like they made any T-Birds in St. Louis.

https://automotivemileposts.com/prod1969tbird.html
Wasn't trying to say that it came out of a Tbird just pointing out that it couldn't have been out of a unibody car or Police Interceptor in 69 which eliminates the possibility of it being anything other than a standard 429 or 460. Once that is established I wouldn't really care whether it was out of Ford Merc or Tbird its still a good foundation for a strong street type build for a car or pickup.

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Post  pdm25150 March 31st 2023, 8:59 pm

I had one out of a 1970 Cyclone, did not have CJ on breather just Mercury 429-4v. Car was hit by a truck while parked, bought for $200.00 in 1984. $30.00 a week . Ran like a bat out of hell. Threw away stock carb, first had a holly 750 vac. Secondary....didn't like it. Put a 650 mechanical on it and it loved it. Sold it in 1988 with the truck it was in.
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Post  rls7201 May 29th 2023, 9:35 pm

Did any one mention the ID tag, bolted under the ign. coil?

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Post  supervel45 May 29th 2023, 10:28 pm

It was in that Mustang/CougarGeek Link. Still not enough for his question though.

http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/IDTAGchart.jpg

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