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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 1:29 am

Here are the specifications on the Freelander Race Engines / Oakley Motorsports 2013 EMC entry. The engine ran flawlessly at the competition and pulled with no issues to the 7200 rpm upper limit on the dyno pulls.
 
Bottom End
 
Ford Racing A460 block with 4.600 bore
Scat 4.300 forged crank
Oliver 6.800 rods
Diamond dished pistons with coated skirts 11.4:1 compression
Innovators West damper
Moroso steel fox body swap pan and pick-up
Kaase oil pump
 
Top End
 
Fully ported Kaase P-51 heads
2.300 / 1.76 SS intake and exhaust valves
Fully ported TFS "Mafia" intake with 4150 aluminum adaptor
Quick Fuel custom 4150 carb 1000+ CFM
MSD 7 digital ignition and billet distributor
 
Valve Train
 
Comp billet roller cam 108 CL and .450ish lobe lift on the intake and exhaust
Morel .904 hydraulic roller lifters with bushed lifter bores
Manley 3/8 heavy wall pushrods
Manley Nex-Tech endurance springs with titanium retainers
Crower SS 1.8 rockers
Jomar stud girdles and poly locks
Ford Racing timing chain
 
Exhaust 
 
2" Schoenfeld dyno headers with standard 3 1/2" collectors
5" Flow Master bullet race mufflers  
Moroso evac system
 
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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 1:32 am

Link to the Tuesday results from the competition

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/1309_2013_amsoil_engine_masters_challenge_tuesday_coverage/viewall.html

Here is a sample dyno pull from the competition. Pulls are made from 3000 to 7000 rpm.
 
TQ HP
3000 708 405
3100 706 417
3200 694 423
3300 678 426
3400 660 427
3500 640 427
3600 630 432
3700 636 448
3800 658 476
3900 687 510
4000 720 548
4100 749 585
4200 773 619
4300 793 649
4400 803 673
4500 809 693
4600 810 710
4700 813 727
4800 815 745
4900 814 760
5000 813 774
5100 808 785
5200 803 795
5300 795 802
5400 789 811
5500 785 822
5600 780 832
5700 775 842
5800 770 850
5900 763 857
6000 756 863
6100 745 865
6200 734 866
6300 723 867
6400 714 870
6500 700 866
6600 689 866
6700 677 864
6800 666 863
6900 654 859
7000 642 856
Avg 736 702


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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 1:36 am

A Pic of the team at the competition from left to right Jay Oakley, Curly, Phillip Oakley, Rob Orava and myself.

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A pic of the torque monster and horsepower king awards and checks.

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Post  Mark Miller on October 16th 2013, 2:01 am

Dave,very nice build,great horsepower and torque numbers.Are you going to use it in one of your cars.Smile Smile Smile 

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Post  Mark Miller on October 16th 2013, 2:03 am

Man 708 lb.ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm.That thing would be awesome in a heavy car or truck.Smile Smile Smile 

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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 2:17 am

Mark Miller wrote:Dave,very nice build,great horsepower and torque numbers.Are you going to use it in one of your cars.Smile Smile Smile 

Later Mark.
I'm going to put it in my 83 Mustang backhalfed car, With a 1.80 PG and some 4.30 gears.
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Post  windsor on October 16th 2013, 8:49 am

That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters? What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
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Post  jeffgfg on October 16th 2013, 9:28 am

Just awesome guys!! Congrats for a job well done!!!

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Post  John Myrick on October 16th 2013, 10:03 am

What octane fuel were you using ?
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Post  Lem Evans on October 16th 2013, 10:13 am

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Post  Dave C. on October 16th 2013, 10:19 am

Two checks. Same check number.... Nice build though. That shop looks pretty good too.

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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 10:47 am

Dave C. wrote:Two checks. Same check number.... Nice build though. That shop looks pretty good too.
 
Those are just for pictures Laughing 
 
That's the University of Northwest Ohio, Its a damn nice school for Vo-tech stuff.


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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 10:49 am

windsor wrote:That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?  

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters?  What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
Had to open the bores up anyway, the bushings are just a nice feature.

Yes I intend to run the Girly Juice cam and see how it does. After tearing the motor down, I didn't notice any wear like previous EMC valve train stuff.

We where hitting 7200-7300 on the high side thru the pulls, no indication of float noticed. No indication of float on tear down either. And with the hp peaking at 6300-6400 not a whole lot of reason to pull it past 7000


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Post  bruno on October 16th 2013, 11:08 am

very nice guys , thank you again for sharing the details
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Post  windsor on October 16th 2013, 3:17 pm

dfree383 wrote:
windsor wrote:That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?  

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters?  What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
Had to open the bores up anyway, the bushings are just a nice feature.

Yes I intend to run the Girly Juice cam and see how it does. After tearing the motor down, I didn't notice any wear like previous EMC valve train stuff.

We where hitting 7200-7300 on the high side thru the pulls, no indication of float noticed. No indication of float on tear down either. And with the hp peaking at 6300-6400 not a whole lot of reason to pull it past 7000
I'm super stoked about your results. I've always wanted to go HR since I had good luck with them in SBFs. These new lifters seem like the key since solid rollers can be hard pressed in my intended use. Drag Week running no more than 6500 in a 620 w/ small valve a460 heads.

Please keep us posted on your results as you run this engine further.

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Post  Lem Evans on October 16th 2013, 7:39 pm

windsor wrote:
dfree383 wrote:
windsor wrote:That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?  

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters?  What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
Had to open the bores up anyway, the bushings are just a nice feature.

Yes I intend to run the Girly Juice cam and see how it does. After tearing the motor down, I didn't notice any wear like previous EMC valve train stuff.

We where hitting 7200-7300 on the high side thru the pulls, no indication of float noticed. No indication of float on tear down either. And with the hp peaking at 6300-6400 not a whole lot of reason to pull it past 7000
I'm super stoked about your results. I've always wanted to go HR since I had good luck with them in SBFs. These new lifters seem like the key since solid rollers can be hard pressed in my intended use. Drag Week running no more than 6500 in a 620 w/ small valve a460 heads.

Please keep us posted on your results as you run this engine further.

 
 
1] The lifters were/are important & they are some kind of fine...albeit expensive. I would not consider them to be "the key" but, an important piece of the puzzle.
 
2] In my opinion the main reason a typical hyd. roller package is easy on lifters is that 'they'  have a VERY girly valve spring in the equation.
Daves springs are not 'girly' hence the happy at 7,300 rpm thing.  
 
3] I do not have a dog or let alone a dog in the solid Vs. hyd. roller debate but, I do not want anyone to assume too much.

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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 10:49 pm

windsor wrote:
dfree383 wrote:
windsor wrote:That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?  

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters?  What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
Had to open the bores up anyway, the bushings are just a nice feature.

Yes I intend to run the Girly Juice cam and see how it does. After tearing the motor down, I didn't notice any wear like previous EMC valve train stuff.

We where hitting 7200-7300 on the high side thru the pulls, no indication of float noticed. No indication of float on tear down either. And with the hp peaking at 6300-6400 not a whole lot of reason to pull it past 7000
I'm super stoked about your results. I've always wanted to go HR since I had good luck with them in SBFs. These new lifters seem like the key since solid rollers can be hard pressed in my intended use. Drag Week running no more than 6500 in a 620 w/ small valve a460 heads.

Please keep us posted on your results as you run this engine further.

good mechanical roller stuff will last for drag week too.
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Post  dfree383 on October 16th 2013, 10:57 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
windsor wrote:
dfree383 wrote:
windsor wrote:That's awesome.

You keeping the juice roller in it?

Wondering why you bushed the lifter bores with those lifters?  

How did they do with valve float or is it not an issue with these new morel race lifters?  What about the dreaded valve train geometry issues?
Had to open the bores up anyway, the bushings are just a nice feature.

Yes I intend to run the Girly Juice cam and see how it does. After tearing the motor down, I didn't notice any wear like previous EMC valve train stuff.

We where hitting 7200-7300 on the high side thru the pulls, no indication of float noticed. No indication of float on tear down either. And with the hp peaking at 6300-6400 not a whole lot of reason to pull it past 7000
I'm super stoked about your results. I've always wanted to go HR since I had good luck with them in SBFs. These new lifters seem like the key since solid rollers can be hard pressed in my intended use. Drag Week running no more than 6500 in a 620 w/ small valve a460 heads.

Please keep us posted on your results as you run this engine further.

 
 
1] The lifters were/are important & they are some kind of fine...albeit expensive. I would not consider them to be "the key" but, an important piece of the puzzle.
 
2] In my opinion the main reason a typical hyd. roller package is easy on lifters is that 'they'  have a VERY girly valve spring in the equation.
Daves springs are not 'girly' hence the happy at 7,300 rpm thing.  
 
3] I do not have a dog or let alone a dog in the solid Vs. hyd. roller debate but, I do not want anyone to assume too much.
The springs are not girly..... But they aren't the big stud stuff used on the big drag race solid rollers either. I'm thinking a realistic 6500 rpm and good parts and a correct lobe a hyd roller should last just fine in a hot street build and provide some great power.
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Post  Lem Evans on October 16th 2013, 11:09 pm

 "The springs are not girly..... But they aren't the big stud stuff used on the big drag race solid rollers either. I'm thinking a realistic 6500 rpm and good parts and a correct lobe a hyd roller should last just fine in a hot street build and provide some great power."

Why did I know I'd be sorry for posting in one of these chickenshit hyd. roller threads lol! 

In closing....wtf does "big stud stuff" mean?

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Post  dfree383 on October 17th 2013, 12:13 am

Lem Evans wrote: In closing....wtf does "big stud stuff" mean?
Laughing Laughing Laughing  Big double and tripple stuff those ones that are over 800# and alot of times over 1000#...... The "semi stud stuff" Wink geek we have in this motor is leaning more towards something you can get away with in occasional street driver, But I still wouldn't want to use the stuff for a daily driver or something you'd expect to last forever.
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Post  Mark Miller on October 17th 2013, 2:08 am

dfree383 wrote:
Mark Miller wrote:Dave,very nice build,great horsepower and torque numbers.Are you going to use it in one of your cars.Smile Smile Smile 

Later Mark.
I'm going to put it in my 83 Mustang backhalfed car, With a 1.80 PG and some 4.30 gears.
You better let us know how the Mustang runs with the 572 in it.Smile Smile Smile 

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Post  dfree383 on October 17th 2013, 3:02 am

Mark Miller wrote:
dfree383 wrote:
Mark Miller wrote:Dave,very nice build,great horsepower and torque numbers.Are you going to use it in one of your cars.Smile Smile Smile 

Later Mark.
I'm going to put it in my 83 Mustang backhalfed car, With a 1.80 PG and some 4.30 gears.
You better let us know how the Mustang runs with the 572 in it.Smile Smile Smile 

Thanks Mark.
If I ever get a chance to run the freaking thing..... The way my work challenges are over the past couple years and the forseeable future. Rolling Eyes 
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Post  windsor on October 17th 2013, 7:08 am

Great thread. Thanks for the insight gents.
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Post  quick 52 on October 17th 2013, 9:59 am

Put it in the Mustang and schedule a week off for Sept. next year for Drag week

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Post  dfree383 on October 17th 2013, 10:40 am

quick 52 wrote:Put it in the Mustang and schedule a week off for Sept. next year for Drag week
The cars not street legal..... I'm not sure I'd want to drive it (the car) that far any way..... 4 link, manual steering and brakes, no heater, no exhaust and a jungle gym can get miserable. Laughing 

Idea But I would entertain some one wanting to put a car together with it and me riding along. Question 
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