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Post  Tommyj466 on February 7th 2015, 7:58 pm

First of all I really like the one-piece rubber oil pan gaskets that Ford racing sells. But why in the Phuck does Ford motor company sell me a gasket for an engine they designed 40 flippin' years ago that I have to enlarge the four end inserts to 5/16? I mean I could see it if it didn't have Ford Racing on the package. It's like it was a surprise that all the bolts aren't the same size!

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Post  Lem Evans on February 7th 2015, 8:29 pm

Just knock the 4 corner inserts out of the gasket and fill the voids with silicone....worked every time for me.

There was no 1 piece gasket designed for the C8, C9, D0 & D1 blocks. "We" are applying the 1 piece gasket that was designed for the truck blocks that were mostly produced in the 1990s.

Next time I do an engine ,with an old school block, I think I'll just heli-coil the 4 corners to 1/4" like the others.

BUT going forward, I wish FRPP would finish the new A460 blocks  all 1/4" bolts holes....but...at the end of the day it aint the worse problem I could have.

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Post  Lem Evans on February 7th 2015, 8:34 pm

And then, who was the guy that thought that 5/16" bolts were needed at the 4 corners of the pan in 1968?

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Post  Frank Merkl on February 7th 2015, 8:36 pm

It's a Racing Part !! Some modifications Maybe necessary!!!!!
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Post  David Cole on February 7th 2015, 8:42 pm

I just use a step drill bit in the drill press.  Takes about 10 sec. per hole to open them up from 1/4 to 5/16 and the bit won't grab the insert and sling the gasket around.

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Post  BigRigTech on February 7th 2015, 10:34 pm

David Cole wrote:I just use a step drill bit in the drill press.  Takes about 10 sec. per hole to open them up from 1/4 to 5/16 and the bit won't grab the insert and sling the gasket around.

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That's a good tip, I'll try that next time my pan is off. Wink
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Post  Super Snake Steve on February 8th 2015, 12:10 am

The Milodon one pc. gasket has 5/16" holes on the 4 corners #41005 problem solved no drilling and no silicone

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Post  blown473 on February 8th 2015, 1:58 am

There's a special step down pan stud you can get that completely fixes the problem, I found them from a supplier a few years ago and sent Lem Evans on here a couple of boxes of them, try contacting him, he can fix you up then you will not have to modify your brand new gaskets at all. I used these in my blown 521 they work slick.
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Post  richter69 on February 8th 2015, 2:25 am

The step down studs work.
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Post  Tommyj466 on February 8th 2015, 7:27 am

Lem Evans wrote:And then, who was the guy that thought that 5/16" bolts were needed at the 4 corners of the pan in 1968?

Razz Good Question
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Post  bbf-falcon on February 8th 2015, 9:28 am

I remember the first time I tried to enlarge them with a drill..after it wrapped around the drill a few times, I give it a xtra sling into the parking lot Mad

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Post  blown473 on February 8th 2015, 12:36 pm

If Lem is out I also gave Paul Kane some for guys out here on the west coast, and I probably have some out in my shop still too.
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Post  rmcomprandy on February 8th 2015, 1:40 pm

Tommyj466 wrote:First of all I really like the one-piece rubber oil pan gaskets that Ford racing sells. But why in the Phuck does Ford motor company sell me a gasket for an engine they designed 40 flippin' years ago that I have to enlarge the four end inserts to 5/16? I mean I could see it if it didn't have Ford Racing on the package. It's like it was a surprise that all the bolts aren't the same size!

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Because THAT gasket was designed for the later OEM TRUCK engines without mechanical fuel pumps which have a different front cover and use 1/4" bolts in the corners.  ALL the bolts ARE the SAME SIZE.
It was not originally meant to be used on the earlier engines however, it CAN be used with some modifications as long as the oil pan rails are flat with no impressions.

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Post  Super Snake Steve on February 8th 2015, 1:46 pm

Do all the blocks have 5/16" in the back of the block or just the older ones I ask because I've only ever had the older blocks

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Post  rmcomprandy on February 8th 2015, 2:38 pm

Super Snake Steve wrote:Do all the blocks have 5/16" in the back of the block or just the older ones I ask because I've only ever had the older blocks

Later blocks were produced with 1/4" tapped holes for the rear oil pan bolts.Those engine all used "load spreaders" on the oil pan rails with that gasket, also.

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Post  Super Snake Steve on February 8th 2015, 3:12 pm

Thank I'll have to look for that on my brothers block he just got its a 85 carbureted

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Post  rmcomprandy on February 8th 2015, 7:03 pm

Super Snake Steve wrote:Thank I'll have to look for that on my brothers block he just got its a 85 carbureted

An "85 is NOT a late enough block for the revision; a fuel injected engine block is.

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Post  Super Snake Steve on February 8th 2015, 8:05 pm

Thanks wasn't sure when they started with the 1/4" bolt thing that's why I said it was carbureted all thow the motor did come out of a van and had the mechanical fuel pump blocked off and came with a Electric fuel pump witch I've never seen that either

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Post  rmcomprandy on February 8th 2015, 8:24 pm

Super Snake Steve wrote:Thanks wasn't sure when they started with the 1/4" bolt thing that's why I said it was carbureted all thow the motor did come out of a van and had the mechanical fuel pump blocked off and came with a Electric fuel pump witch I've never seen that either

The newest front cover doesn't even have a fuel pump hole to block-off, Wink

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Post  Super Snake Steve on February 8th 2015, 9:38 pm

When I was talking to my brother on the phone he said when he pulled the cover it did have the mechanical fuel pump cam im guessing back then when they built the motors they weren't sure what they were going in so they just added the fuel pump cam weather it was used or not

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Post  the Coug on February 9th 2015, 2:58 am

just wait till you have a nice 1 piece gasket and have to cut the front pan rail arch off so you can put your Danny Bee on, like i have said in other post MOST STUFF is not just bolt together you have to modify it some how to make it work.....these are not Chebbys.....where you can get everything you want at the local 7/11
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Post  rmcomprandy on February 9th 2015, 10:57 am

the Coug wrote:just wait till you have a nice 1 piece gasket and have to cut the front pan rail arch off so you can put your Danny Bee on, like i have said in other post  MOST STUFF is not just bolt together you have to modify it some  how to make it work.....these are not Chebbys.....where you can get everything you want at the local 7/11

Speaking of that ... I was at the local ACE HARDWARE to get some plumbing stuff and they had different SBC oil pans for sale in there, Rolling Eyes

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Post  gt350hr on February 9th 2015, 1:14 pm

I'd like to get a pair of the load spreaders. Anyone have a pair or a part numberfor them?

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Post  res0rli9 on February 9th 2015, 1:30 pm

gt350hr wrote:   I'd like to get a pair of the load spreaders. Anyone have a pair or a part numberfor them?

Have you tried ( 7/11 )

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Post  gt350hr on February 9th 2015, 2:08 pm

res0rli9 wrote:
gt350hr wrote:   I'd like to get a pair of the load spreaders. Anyone have a pair or a part numberfor them?

Have you tried  (  7/11  )



On BACKORDER! LOL

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