Tunnel Ram Question...
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Tunnel Ram Question...
I was looking at a Weiand tunnel ram I have had for some time and started wondering about the plenums....some rookie questions.
What is the purpose of the gap between the two carbs?
How does plenum size affect performance on a given engine?
The reason I ask is, when I obtained the intake, I also got 3 tops with it.
A Weiand 4150 base, 4500 and, a sheet metal 4500, which is larger than the cast piece.
I'm not considering trying to run it at this time....just wondered about the differences in the plenums.
Jeff
What is the purpose of the gap between the two carbs?
How does plenum size affect performance on a given engine?
The reason I ask is, when I obtained the intake, I also got 3 tops with it.
A Weiand 4150 base, 4500 and, a sheet metal 4500, which is larger than the cast piece.
I'm not considering trying to run it at this time....just wondered about the differences in the plenums.
Jeff

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There are different plenume volume formulas and carb height formulas but, they will only get someone in the right ballpark, "usually".
Actually trying everything around those parameters is the only way to know what works best ... one thing will also have an effect on the other and so on. Sometimes actually going against known principals works best with a given engine combination.
Testing is the only real alternative.
Actually trying everything around those parameters is the only way to know what works best ... one thing will also have an effect on the other and so on. Sometimes actually going against known principals works best with a given engine combination.
Testing is the only real alternative.
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sell it and turn it into a TFS Mafia intake................

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richter69 wrote:sell it and turn it into a TFS Mafia intake................![]()
X2

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Who said anything about it being for sale?


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They look cool too.............



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If this is a fashion show please put the sparkplugs in the carbs
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Lem Evans wrote:If this is a fashion show please put the sparkplugs in the carbs![]()
The guy that usually does that for me isn't around.................

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IDT-572 wrote:They look cool too.............![]()
That they do!!

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Treeyasoon wrote:What is the purpose of the gap between the two carbs?
I'm still wondering about this too...Why not feed four holes with each carb?

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Treeyasoon wrote:Treeyasoon wrote:What is the purpose of the gap between the two carbs?
I'm still wondering about this too...Why not feed four holes with each carb?
If you set the carb down directly on each runner, that turns it into an I.R. system. The NHRA Pro Stock 426 Hemi Mopars learned that doesn't work, back in 1970/71.
Charlie
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c.evans wrote:Treeyasoon wrote:Treeyasoon wrote:What is the purpose of the gap between the two carbs?
I'm still wondering about this too...Why not feed four holes with each carb?
If you set the carb down directly on each runner, that turns it into an I.R. system. The NHRA Pro Stock 426 Hemi Mopars learned that doesn't work, back in 1970/71.
Charlie
Like Charlie said...the IR setups were tough to tune for a drag application. They like to run at a very tight RPM band depending on runner length, cam design and 20 other factors. I believe that a nice respectable plenum volume settles the booster signal down a bit. That is why the 2 plenum sections are joined...just for volume and balance. If you observe tunnel ram evolution, you may notice that the plenums have become one big area instead of 2 smaller ones joined in the middle. This just makes the carburetor folks enjoy a wider power band with less "peaky" tuning issues.
At least that is my perspective.
Thanks!
Keith

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I have been helping a friend of mine with a small block Mopar that has I.R. injection. When one cylinder doesen't have the ability to pull air and fuel from a common plennum, the single butterfly or barrel has to be a hell of a bunch bigger to supply the cylinder.
This engine didn't seem to be super peaky, Good spread between torque peak and hp peak. He moved the stack length longer to shorter to get the curve where he wanted it.
On engines the size we run, to run one I.R. with a carb set down on the runner opening, one barrel per runner , I don't know if there is a carb that big..............
Some of you may have seen the pictures of the 1 cylinder A headed engine I helped build, it Had a 56 mm S&S D series Harley carb on it, and it was two small. The engine was 73 C.I.D. turning around 8000 rpm. That carb had a 2.250 inch venturie.
This engine didn't seem to be super peaky, Good spread between torque peak and hp peak. He moved the stack length longer to shorter to get the curve where he wanted it.
On engines the size we run, to run one I.R. with a carb set down on the runner opening, one barrel per runner , I don't know if there is a carb that big..............
Some of you may have seen the pictures of the 1 cylinder A headed engine I helped build, it Had a 56 mm S&S D series Harley carb on it, and it was two small. The engine was 73 C.I.D. turning around 8000 rpm. That carb had a 2.250 inch venturie.

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