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Post  QKiss February 10th 2020, 2:31 am

Thanks guys. -- Travis - The thinking behind the X locater is that a single bar works just fine under normal conditions but if it ever gets a little out of shape I wanted the extra strength for the side loading under those circumstances. A wish bone works well but wanted to eliminate the slip joint and maintenance associated with it.  

   68galaxie - I have buddy that has a 548 Chevy Combination similar to my 557 and he runs more RPM than the Ford with a 1050 Holley. We tried an 1150 on it and it made no difference. Could the 1250 show improvement that the 1150 didn't?  

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Post  Albert Clark February 10th 2020, 9:22 am

QKiss wrote:  
. Could the 1250 show improvement that the 1150 didn't?  [/size]


YES

This is not a Chevy it has no resemblance, I wish you guys would STOP comparing ford to Chevies, the only resemblance is they have iron and aluminum and rotating parts what would work on a BBC most likely wont work on a BBF most 454 468 496 BBC would use a 850 or 950 BBF in same cubes want min 1050 to 1150



plain and simple Fords like Carburation.
a newer style A460 heads and that thing will haul
or have your heads done by a Competent head porter not some hack with a die grinder and a polishing pad


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Post  TravisRice February 10th 2020, 1:32 pm

QKiss wrote:Thanks guys. -- Travis - The thinking behind the X locater is that a single bar works just fine under normal conditions but if it ever gets a little out of shape I wanted the extra strength for the side loading under those circumstances. A wish bone works well but wanted to eliminate the slip joint and maintenance associated with it.  

   68galaxie - I have buddy that has a 548 Chevy Combination similar to my 557 and he runs more RPM than the Ford with a 1050 Holley. We tried an 1150 on it and it made no difference. Could the 1250 show improvement that the 1150 didn't?  

If I could remember how to post a picture here I would show you a double wishbone that I built for a Pro-stick Berretta. It basically was a forward facing wishbone from the rear 4 link brackets that the center tube slid over a opposite facing wishbone from the front brackets. It has held up very well. I have put grease fittings on ALL of the wishbones I have ever built and used to ask the customer to grease them after every race. I no longer build stuff but thought your approach was nicely done.

One question though. Most 4 links are not of equal lengths when adjusted to different anti-squat positions. Being yours is locked in an X so to say, how does it work say 2 holes up without moving one end of the bar?

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Post  TravisRice February 10th 2020, 1:35 pm

Albert Clark wrote:
QKiss wrote:  
. Could the 1250 show improvement that the 1150 didn't?  [/size]


YES

This is not a Chevy it has no resemblance, I wish you guys would STOP comparing ford to Chevies, the only resemblance is they have iron and aluminum and rotating parts what would work on a BBC most likely wont work on a BBF most 454 468 496 BBC would use a 850 or 950  BBF in same cubes want min 1050 to 1150



 plain and simple Fords like Carburation.
a newer style A460 heads and that thing will haul
or have your heads done by a Competent head porter not some hack with a die grinder and a polishing pad


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Post  TravisRice February 10th 2020, 11:26 pm

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Post  TravisRice February 10th 2020, 11:32 pm

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Not to hijack your build. Better explanation with pics that I finally figured out how to upload off my phone. This let the back articulate and let the anti roll do its job separately. Front wishbone spins inside the rear wishbone without side to side movement or binding. Tricky to build but rewarding...... built this for my buddy Frank who was 77 years old at the time. He just passed away in Sept of 19. He was to be heading to the races that day at the age of 83 but someone had different plans for him. May you race on in peace and continue rowing those gears old friend. Sad

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Post  QKiss February 11th 2020, 1:21 am

Albert -- Thanks for your response. You need to be a little patient with us. The reason we ask is to gain knowledge. The theory with the Chevy example was the engine being nothing but an air pump and at 548 cu in  turning 8500 RPMs would move more air than a 557 turning 7000 RPMs. --- But all it takes is a little practical experience to blow the hell out of a perfectly good theory.   Smile  

  Travis -- The X locater mounting brackets are held in place with the 4 link bolts and must stay with the mounting bolts as the 4 link is moved from hole to hole to prevent binding due to dissimilar arcs as suspension travels up and down. The anti roll bar is very ridged and there is very little articulation. That being said I really like your double wish bone. It is definitely better in an articulation condition than the X locater. Do you mind if I use it in the future?  Cool   

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Post  TravisRice February 11th 2020, 7:06 am

You are welcome to use it. I got the idea by looking at other cars and projects and modifying it to work to the situation.

My point with the length of the x changing might have not been worded right. Let's just theoretically say the 4 link bars are level across the bottom and the 4 link bars measure 18" between the brackets and are 24" long. Now if you move the lower 4 link bars all the way up in the back and all the way down in the front you are still 18" between the 4 link bars but now 26" long (+2" again just theoretical numbers) with a single track locator the angle across the 18" changes easily. With a double you are locked in to a fixed angle that as adjusted for length also gets wider now between the bars. Not meaning to confuse anyone but the x locators I looked at had heims at the center point on one crossing bar when i decided to build the double wishbone.

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Post  QKiss February 11th 2020, 10:23 pm

TravisRice wrote:You are welcome to use it. I got the idea by looking at other cars and projects and modifying it to work to the situation.

My point with the length of the x changing might have not been worded right. Let's just theoretically say the 4 link bars are level across the bottom and the 4 link bars measure 18" between the brackets and are 24" long. Now if you move the lower 4 link bars all the way up in the back and all the way down in the front you are still 18" between the 4 link bars but now 26" long (+2" again just theoretical numbers) with a single track locator the angle across the 18" changes easily. With a double you are locked in to a fixed angle that as adjusted for length also gets wider now between the  bars. Not meaning to confuse anyone but the x locators I looked at had heims at the center point on one crossing bar when i decided to build the double wishbone.

     Good call Travis ---- This is the first time I have tried this design so I have no practical experience with it. I overlooked your point and it is definitely going to be an issue as it will not be happy with angle change at all. I see the center of the X needs to have a center bolt or pivot pin of some type to allow for angle change. Thanks Travis for taking the time to point it out ---- I do appreciate it. Steve

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Post  TravisRice February 11th 2020, 11:47 pm

You have mad skills Steve. Not picking your build apart and glad you did not take it that way. I've learned most of my stuff from experimenting and trial and error. Of coarse bad decisions make the best stories...lol.

I quit building stuff a few years ago but admire anyone with talent, thier ability to apply it and drive. You have all the above.

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Post  QKiss February 16th 2020, 11:56 pm

Thanks Travis ---- The learning goes on forever. There is always the next step.

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The dash was painted the same color as the chassis with flat clear instead of gloss to retard glare. It did make it appear lighter. It is the same paint as the steering column tubes.

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Post  TravisRice April 18th 2020, 6:08 am

Any updates? I know everyone except essential businesses are on lock down so that either means your super busy or going stir crazy at home. Stay safe and looking forward to your future updates and progress pics.

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Post  Goldylox_fairlane April 22nd 2020, 11:35 pm

Same ^^^. Hope everyone is good. I am looking forward to hear this car rumble!

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Post  QKiss April 27th 2020, 12:32 am

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Aluminum hood made from .040 6061-T6 aluminum sheet.It has been kicking my butt. It is hard to see but there is a big bucket just in front of the carb that I've been fighting. The Flatter the panel the harder they are work.

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You can see the high and low areas in center part of the hood.
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Forming the blister panels. Would like to clean up the hole around the carb and do a carbon fiber wrap for the summer then finish the blister this winter.

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Post  wickettoby1 April 27th 2020, 1:37 pm

Are you pulling a fast one on us? Theres no way you’re work bench is that clean 😂😂😂

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Post  QKiss April 27th 2020, 8:19 pm

OH ya it is --- all you have to do is push everything on the floor

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Post  wickettoby1 April 27th 2020, 8:45 pm

I feel so stupid, in my 40 years I never thought of that 😂

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Post  Mark Miller April 27th 2020, 11:41 pm

Looking good keep those pictures coming!! Smile

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Post  QKiss April 28th 2020, 10:48 am

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Thought it might not be a bad idea to have a way to tow this thing and didn't want to go through the roof so I came up with this option through the chin spoiler.
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Made up with a pice of 6061-T6 aluminum.
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Back drilled to remove some of the bulk
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While on the mill in the rotery head it was drilled for two mounting positions 90 degrees apart.
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Finished and bolted into the receiver tube

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Post  Goldylox_fairlane April 29th 2020, 12:13 am

Man, I would be very nervous about drilling that hole in the splitter. Lol

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Post  QKiss May 2nd 2020, 9:15 am

I will show you the little trick used to center the hole to be cut when I get caught up. Have the transmission out of my truck right now replacing a broken flex plate.  

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Post  Goldylox_fairlane May 2nd 2020, 11:20 pm

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Post  TravisRice May 3rd 2020, 8:11 am

The Aluminum hood looks great and there are so many compound arcs on the bubble that make it a very challenging project. Keep on keeping on!!!! Excited to see it buttoned up and the reaction you get when its out at the racetrack for the first time.

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Post  QKiss June 9th 2020, 1:36 am

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Finally ran out of excuses.Time to go to the track.
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A few shots around the car.
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The aluminum hood was kicking my butt so we got it close and cleaned it up with a little bond then wrapped it with a carbon fiber skin.
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Till I have more time this winter to mess with the hood and blister a temporary scoop was made with some scrap lexan lying around the shop and it happened to be smoked --- came out pretty cool. Cool  
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My wife said I have to put a picture of me in here. The first pass after the moderate  licensing was an 8.67 @ 157.94 MPH

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Post  litshoot June 9th 2020, 7:21 am

that's awesome, looks amazing

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