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This is why you should or shouldn't get poked??

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Post  Curt August 1st 2021, 11:29 am

ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?
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Post  supervel45 August 1st 2021, 3:55 pm

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Post  Albert Clark August 2nd 2021, 6:06 am

WHO Friggen cares

If you want it ok

if you don't want it ok


if you catch it and die ok

if you don't catch it ok


it seems like you just want to argue
so get friggen over it and STFU


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Post  bruno August 2nd 2021, 6:35 am

"Poked" i thought this was a new way to port cylinder heads ?? Basketball Basketball

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Post  Curt August 2nd 2021, 9:28 am

Albert Clark wrote:


it seems like you just want to argue  
so get friggen over it and STFU


Albert

Hahaha, reading comprehension is your friend.
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Post  rmcomprandy August 2nd 2021, 12:24 pm

When the FDA confirms that all the vaccines are approved for more than just EMERGENCY approval, no one can say the shots are safe ... it can only be presumed.

NOT good enough for me ... to become a lab rat.

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Post  Curt August 2nd 2021, 3:55 pm

My wife just texted me and said that they had 20 covid patients. 19 have been vaccinated.
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Post  snuff98 August 2nd 2021, 7:42 pm

I am more worried about the systems pushing for everyone to get the vaccine than the virus itself. I and most of my family have had covid already, we all made it through much better than the last bad flue that we all caught. I am sure that all the people crossing the U.S. Mexico border have ALL of their shots and have been tested /quarantined for covid before they are handed out medical cards and hotel vouchers. The old saying "be careful what you wish for" could not be more appropriate for the people who want to re-imagine America. Everyone can drown when a ship sinks!

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Post  69F100 August 3rd 2021, 3:35 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:When the FDA confirms that all the vaccines are approved for more than just EMERGENCY approval, no one can say the shots are safe ... it can only be presumed.

NOT good enough for me ... to become a lab rat.


X2 on what Randy said I am no lab rat I had it last December made it through it
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Post  cool40 August 23rd 2021, 1:48 am

The vaccine doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get it but your odds of getting deathly ill are a lot less. I know some people that had hardly any symptoms when they had covid last year and some that died. I got the vaccine in April and damn glad I did now!
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Post  snuff98 August 23rd 2021, 1:41 pm

Good for you cool40. It should still be a choice that an adult can make to get the vaccine or not. I, my wife, my daughter, and my son all had covid before the vaccine was available and have not been vaccinated. If we have a choice we will not due to the fact that we are probably more safe from getting very ill or dying from covid than someone who had the vaccine. I have 4 distant cousins who have all had the shot come down with the delta variant, 3 will be ok 1 is at deaths door on a vent. My daughter was refused treatment on 8/22/2021 at a local hospital for a spinal problem because she is not vaccinated. This is going the wrong way!

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Post  cool40 August 23rd 2021, 2:07 pm

snuff98 wrote:Good for you cool40.  It should still be a choice that an adult can make to get the vaccine or not. I, my wife, my daughter, and my son all had covid before the vaccine was available and have not been vaccinated. If we have a choice we will not due to the fact that we are probably more safe from getting very ill or dying from covid than someone who had the vaccine.  I have 4 distant cousins who have all had the shot come down with the delta variant,  3 will be ok 1 is at deaths door on a vent.  My daughter was refused treatment on 8/22/2021 at a local hospital for a spinal problem because she is not vaccinated. This is going the wrong way!
it is your choice to get it or not so that’s up to you. According to what I’ve read your own residence is about 80% versus 95% with a vaccine but I’m certainly no virologist and don’t know. If I was your daughter I’d stay as far away from the hospital right now as I could if it’s nothing life threatening she needs.
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