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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:18 am

Hi guys, I am wondering if it acceptable to plumb an oil feed (dry sump) in through the pipe plug located next to the timing cover on the left side of the block(commanly used for oil pressure sending unit). I know the aluminum blocks feed through this port but they are extended out and use a larger fitting and I assume a larger passeage. I know this port is offten used for a sending unit most of the time but the passage in the block behind the threads appears to be the same size as the passage behind the oil filter pressure feed side and they seem to merge right behind that area if I recall correctly. If these ports behind the threads are restricted the same amount(same size) do you feel it would be acceptable to do this or have you done this? I am mounting my oil pump on the drivers side and was just curious if this is an option? This might allow me to move the oil pump up slightly if I need to. The combo is an A460 block with a 5 stage dry sump 632 deal if it matters.

As always thanks for all the help guys. Kevin S.

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Post  dfree383 on September 18th 2012, 10:30 am

typicaly its plumbed strait into where the oil filter goes.
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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 10:34 am

Being that the port is only 3/8" npt , I prefer to use the oil filter port...like dfree said.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:40 am

Thats what I figured. I just hoped it was something people were doing. Thanks KS

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:49 am

I am not running a lifter valley oil scavenge is that something you guys would recommend on a BBF? It seems like a PITA on this setup. I am using oil drain hoses from the heads to the oil pan and have four scavenges in the pan. I dont have a problem adding another scavenge section if need be so I just wanted to ask the BBF pro's for their opinions too before I finish buying parts. I appreciate the knowledge shared guys. KS

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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 11:48 am

4 in the pan works good.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 2:57 pm

Lem Evans wrote:4 in the pan works good.

Ok,Thanks for all your help.

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Post  Wheelie58 on September 18th 2012, 6:14 pm

Of course, the oil filter port is preferred, but we have a customers 652 that has successfully used the 3/8" port to introduce the dry sump to the block. We made a nice custom fitting to adapt and streamline the inside diameter.
If you gotta do it...it will work...
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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 6:45 pm

If there is enough iron to enlarge the port to a -10 AN port things will be real good. The i.d. of a -10 hose is 9/16". The -10 thread is 7/8"-14 SAE [fine thread]...takes a 13/16" drill hole.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 7:37 pm

I will look into that. I have to get the motor back in the car and check my pump placement. I hope it will fit without any modifications or abnormal routing of anything. As we all know rarely does anything bolt on or fit like it is supposed too. Lol. I just needed to know if it was an option. Thanks Keith and Lem. Very Happy

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Post  Wheelie58 on September 18th 2012, 9:32 pm

Just so you know...nothing will fit.
That is the magic of what we all do.
You will be fine as long as all basic rules of sanity are applied.
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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 9:44 pm

Exclamation h
Wheelie58 wrote:Just so you know...nothing will fit.
That is the magic of what we all do.
You will be fine as long as all basic rules of sanity are applied.
Keith

Yea, I have learned that while building the chassis. Everything is a puzzle. Atleast the builds worth building anyways. I'm learning the rules quickly. I just don't wanna buy or do anything twice. Ha Ha

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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 9:46 pm

Put the pump on the "passenger"s side....damn it Smile

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Post  Frank Merkl on September 18th 2012, 9:49 pm

don't matter how well planned some stuff always needs to be done twice !
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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:03 pm

Lem Evans wrote:Put the pump on the "passenger"s side....damn it Smile

Honestly I bought the oil pan while finishing my chassis and had the pickups facing the drivers side (I was told by moroso it was better to have the pickups on the drivers side) or I likely would put it on the passengers side. I don't know if it is wise to run the scavenge hoses all the way across the motor. I have enough room around the pan and rack on either side. Its a custom k-member with the cross member and a stilleto rack in front of the motor so the pan will drop out easily.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:06 pm

Frank Merkl wrote:don't matter how well planned some stuff always needs to be done twice !
Frank

This is a fact. I should have said I dont want to do stuff twice anymore. That would have been more accurate. Very Happy

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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 10:19 pm

K-member.......fox 'ish body? May god rest your soul.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 10:22 pm

Lol..yea pretty much 03 mustang.

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Post  dfree383 on September 18th 2012, 10:55 pm

Lem Evans wrote:K-member.......fox 'ish body? May god rest your soul.

lol! lol!
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Post  Wheelie58 on September 18th 2012, 11:20 pm

Oooooh.
I have a dream. Smooth 180 degree fittings.
Many dry sump pans may have the fitting pointing to the driver side, but a 180 fitting points it home and make for even sweeter plumbing.
I am having a new pan kustom built for my 618 and some of the suctions will be intentionally pointed that way.
After you $$$$ plumb a couple of these monsters, you start looking for simplicity.
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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 11:22 pm



Pump on the correct side.

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Post  Lem Evans on September 18th 2012, 11:23 pm


I am having a new pan kustom built for my 618 and some of the suctions will be intentionally pointed that way.

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Post  KEVIN S on September 18th 2012, 11:31 pm

I stand corrected. Well that will make finding pump brackets a ton easier too. Lol. I just ASSumed it wouldn't work man I'm glad you guys are willing to help. I knew this is the place is the right place to go first. Obviously this is my first dry sump setup.

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Post  Wheelie58 on September 18th 2012, 11:33 pm

Lem
You are up too late!
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Post  Wheelie58 on September 18th 2012, 11:35 pm

Typing under the influence of Methanol
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