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Post  Bart Knox on November 5th 2015, 8:40 pm

So my new intake showed up today for my 460 Viktor air gap. I was going to get a new valley pan wondering if there's a particular one or just the stock pan wasn't sure if I should drive to the big city to performance improvements or crappie tire in town:confused:
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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 11:12 am

I was reading up on it last night some people say if they block off exhaust crossover they don't use valley pan some say don't really need one with air gap that keeps your fuel cool enough  would like to go without one so I can put it on now if it doesn't make a difference. Thanks
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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 11:29 am

Very Happy
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Post  jbozzelle on November 6th 2015, 1:13 pm

You're fine without a valley pan

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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 2:00 pm

I just picked up the gasket set and it's not what I expected. Comes with valley pan and front and rear rubber gaskets and the side ones are riveted to pan seems like steel? Never seen one like this definitely not like 302

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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 3:50 pm

So a friend stopped over to check out manifold and told me to send it back my motor is basically stock and I'll loose power what do you think. I read on Internet that it could run stock cast iron heads would need carb reset on stock block and 1 inch spacer I'm no engine builder so I don't know.
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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 6:58 pm

I've been looking for hours about using this intake with a stock motor and can't find anything that says you can't. I don't care if I don't gain any horse power or loose a little on bottom end or if I have to upgrade pistons and camshaft maybe heads but I would like to put it on now if it's still going to be drive able if I have to upgrade some stuff now would be the time to do it with winter coming just need it going again for may long weekend
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Post  rmcomprandy on November 6th 2015, 7:21 pm

Bart Knox wrote:I've been looking for hours about using this intake with a stock motor and can't find anything that says you can't. I don't care if I don't gain any horse power or loose a little on bottom end or if I have to upgrade pistons and camshaft maybe heads but I would like to put it on now if it's still going to be drive able if I have to upgrade some stuff now would be the time to do it with winter coming just need it going again for may long weekend

A Victor intake manifold doesn't have an exhaust crossover and the ports are Cobra Jet spacing, not regular production car engine spacing.

A Victor manifold will FIT to regular heads however, the ports don't align.

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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 7:42 pm

So your saying I would have to get new heads? I seen something when I was searching about this that said there's lots of meat on the intake to cut out to make the ports line up but I'm not sure I was understanding corectly. If I have to do some upgrades now is the time and works been going good the money is there right now
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Post  rmcomprandy on November 6th 2015, 7:46 pm

Bart Knox wrote:So your saying I would have to get new heads? I seen something when I was searching about this that said there's lots of meat on the intake to cut out to make the ports line up but I'm not sure I was understanding correctly. If I have to do some upgrades now is the time and works been going good the money is there right now

Yes ... you can have standard iron heads "VICTOR Port Matched".

It will use a COBRA JET intake size gasket; NO production type valley pan.

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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 7:53 pm

So I can go without valley pan? And I won't loose any power using this intake.
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Post  69F100 on November 6th 2015, 8:21 pm

Bart Knox wrote:So I can go without valley pan? And I won't loose any power using this intake.

How is the engine going to be used
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Post  Bart Knox on November 6th 2015, 9:11 pm

Off road. Just driving with the pack of trucks till we get to the Mudd or the lake and wide open. We always go out and brake the bever dam the week before we go camping and rip around the shore.
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Post  DanE on November 7th 2015, 9:50 am

Shocked Bart;

I'm reading the posts about can you physically install a Victor intake on a stock engine to run around off road. Why in hell would you want to do that?

Desmog your stock engine.
Recurve your distributor.
Install straight up timing gears and a double roller timing chain.
Install 1/34" primary tube headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, "H" pipe, and mufflers that you can look thru.

Then go rip-snorting around the boonies and have a ball. Save the Victor for a dedicated engine build or sell it.

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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 10:31 am

I went to talk to an engine builder last night and he said he would help me out. Told me to get stright up timing gear and chain and camshaft. Then if I can afford it after I get those peaces flat top pistons and heads. So I'm trying to put some prices together and I'm going to go back over and see what he ses make sure all the parts work together. So I'll put 3 or 4 grand into the motor a cheap build and that should be good for my first motor
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Post  DanE on November 7th 2015, 10:57 am

Believe it or not, the simple plan I outlined for you, will make that Bronco shit and git. You will be surprised. And the simple plan I outlined is a prerequisite to further engine mods. So try it first and see what you think. From there you can go further.

Your engine as it came from the factory has less than 8 to 1 compression, so it will not support much more in the camshaft department. You can up the compression with a piston, and/or piston and head change to support the cam with more lift and duration. The factory cam will actually do quite well with the stock compression.

Be careful of who you go to for help, as the 460 Ford is a different animal from what the Chevy boys know and understand. You came to the right site, so listen to what the Ford boys have to say.

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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 11:25 am

This guy is a Ford only nut worked at the dealership in town for years now has his own shop and has done more than one 460. For hands on help he's definitely the best help I can get around here. I'm going to keep this thread going so I can talk to you guys step by step. Putting together a couple thousand dollars to get started.
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Post  rmcomprandy on November 7th 2015, 11:56 am

How did this thread go from a simple intake manifold swap to a complete engine rebuild with some $2,000.00 to be spent...?

Sounds like "wishful thinking" or you were not being totally forthcoming with us from the beginning.

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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 12:11 pm

Well when I bought the intake I thought it would be a simple swap and I guess it was the inspiration I needed because it's always been in the back of my mind to build this motor to be the baddest motor in my group of friends and since I can't return the intake and none around here will buy it I'm the only one I know with a 460 so I'm going to spend five hundred for a simple intake and this one looks so good I don't want to give it up I'll sink a few thousand in to it.
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Post  nord315 on November 7th 2015, 12:36 pm

Which intake do you have?

  1) Victor 460 (Single Plane) or
  2) RPM Air-Gap (Dual Plane)

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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 12:41 pm

#1 Viktor 460 single plane. Looks nice.!!!!
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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 5:28 pm

Ifand will load some pics so people knowmeone has some suggestions on some specific parts I should be looking at and money is an object. I've seen camshafts for two hundredish timing gear and chain for under a hundred pistons for eight hundred can afford that now it's the heads that I don't know what to look for specific requirements to go with the Viktor manifold? Or if I can make it work with stock heads. And if it does work with stock heads how much hp would I be sacrificing. If those prices are realistic and I can definitely decided what route I will attack this. Getting ready to pull the motor now. Excited
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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 5:31 pm

Will load pics just have to figure out how. I've tried will have to get someone to help me out I'm not very computer friendly. The everyone can see that it's happening I'm not just blowing smoke
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Post  gmsmkr on November 7th 2015, 8:56 pm

Bart Knox wrote:I've been looking for hours about using this intake with a stock motor and can't find anything that says you can't. I don't care if I don't gain any horse power or loose a little on bottom end or if I have to upgrade pistons and camshaft maybe heads but I would like to put it on now if it's still going to be drive able if I have to upgrade some stuff now would be the time to do it with winter coming just need it going again for may long weekend

Bart Knox wrote:I went to talk to an engine builder last night and he said he would help me out. Told me to get stright up timing gear and chain and camshaft. Then if I can afford it after I get those peaces flat top pistons and heads. So I'm trying to put some prices together and I'm going to go back over and see what he ses make sure all the parts work together. So I'll put 3 or 4 grand into the motor a cheap build and that should be good for my first motor

Bart Knox wrote:Well when I bought the intake I thought it would be a simple swap and I guess it was the inspiration I needed because it's always been in the back of my mind to build this motor to be the baddest motor in my group of friends and since I can't return the intake and none around here will buy it I'm the only one I know with a 460 so I'm going to spend five hundred for a simple intake and this one looks so good I don't want to give it up I'll sink a few thousand in to it.


So which is it going to be 2k or 4k is it going to be the bad a$$ of your group or you just want it running???
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Post  Bart Knox on November 7th 2015, 9:36 pm

I can spend 4k over the next month.
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