what fuel ???

Is Lem tring to say thats not a nitrous specific camshaft? Ok,,, if not just blame it on the converter!

Sorry Lem,, all these local racers order these Jay Allen nitrous camshaft and complain that they slow down off the spray.

jones wrote:Is Lem tring to say thats not a nitrous specific camshaft? Ok,,, if not just blame it on the converter!

Sorry Lem,, all these local racers order these Jay Allen nitrous camshaft and complain that they slow down off the spray.

and I say if you use any thing Jay Allen you are on your own......


JMHO
Randy

the Coug wrote:

jones wrote:Is Lem tring to say thats not a nitrous specific camshaft? Ok,,, if not just blame it on the converter!

Sorry Lem,, all these local racers order these Jay Allen nitrous camshaft and complain that they slow down off the spray.

and I say if you use any thing Jay Allen you are on your own......


JMHO
Randy

I'll second that........ F@#K Him......

Nick, you might only have 13.5:1 now, but just imagine how much higher the cylinder pressure spikes with the nitrous on. Without investing in some dyno time to actually find out how cheap you could safely go on the gas, the safe bet is to stay with the C16.

DILLIGASDAVE wrote:Nick, you might only have 13.5:1 now, but just imagine how much higher the cylinder pressure spikes with the nitrous on. Without investing in some dyno time to actually find out how cheap you could safely go on the gas, the safe bet is to stay with the C16.

Dave he had the engine dynoed when Lem built it....



Randy

the Coug wrote:Dave he had the engine dynoed when Lem built it....

Well then I guess it's time for another trip to the dyno if Nick never asked the "how cheap can my gas be with nitrous" question the first time on the dyno.

Nick, was the first dyno pulls only N/A, or did they also include nitrous pulls?

Lem Evans wrote:NOS cam's ass......what would/should slow the car would be having a NOS converter.

i thought Lem was having fun with what johndickjr said in another post ..... so thats why i called Lem Mr. JD ..... well Lem took it as i called him Mr. Jack Daniels ... damn these keybords can get confusing but can make for some great entertainment

DILLIGASDAVE wrote:

the Coug wrote:Dave he had the engine dynoed when Lem built it....

Well then I guess it's time for another trip to the dyno if Nick never asked the "how cheap can my gas be with nitrous" question the first time on the dyno.

Nick, was the first dyno pulls only N/A, or did they also include nitrous pulls?

they were all N/A pulls Dave

Don't skimp on the fuel when shooting that NOS C16 all the way. C12 on raw hp.

cam2 wrote:Don't skimp on the fuel when shooting that NOS C16 all the way. C12 on raw hp.

But it costs too much and makes my junk weak off the hose..............

from VP Fuel Tech

I would recommend our C-12, it will support up to 15 to 1 compression and 8500 rpm's. It will also handle up to 200 horse of nitrous.

Thanks,
Technical Department
VP Racing Fuels, Inc.

richter69 wrote:

cam2 wrote:Don't skimp on the fuel when shooting that NOS C16 all the way. C12 on raw hp.

But it costs too much and makes my junk weak off the hose..............

i was trying to find a less cost effective fuel thats all .......

it costs me 34.82 to make an 1/8 pass .( fuel, tires, nitrous )........ not including the entry fee, fuel for the f250 , food....etc ... just looking at the money side of things ..thats all guys

I wish I could make a pass for $35.

It's the price of being fast

bruno wrote:

richter69 wrote:

cam2 wrote:Don't skimp on the fuel when shooting that NOS C16 all the way. C12 on raw hp.

But it costs too much and makes my junk weak off the hose..............

i was trying to find a less cost effective fuel thats all .......

it costs me 34.82 to make an 1/8 pass .( fuel, tires, nitrous )........ not including the entry fee, fuel for the f250 , food....etc ... just looking at the money side of things ..thats all guys

Welcome to "Going Fast"...............

A 5.60 pass costs me $12.72 a run, a 70 pass runs $4.23..............

a 4.97 pass cost us $43 even. but we got off the bottle and are now getting blown (well, turbo)

richter69 wrote:A 5.60 pass costs me $12.72 a run, a 70 pass runs $4.23..............

How many runs do you get out of tires?

richter69 wrote:A 5.60 pass costs me $12.72 a run, a 70 pass runs $4.23..............

A+ Strikes Again..... I've never enve bothered adding up my cost per run, I'm afraid I'd jump off a bridge or something If I'd do it......... Whats really depressing is calculate the total cost of everything and divide in by the number of runs and really scare yourself

Lets see if you build a simpe basic car and run it for one year assuming 10 races and average of 6 passes per race.......

Car / Chassis $15000
Motor $15000
Safety Gear $1500
Fuel, Transportation $2500 (Not including Purchase of Trailer and Truck)
Entry Fees $1000 (assume $100 per race)

Total $35000 / 60 Passes = $583.33 per pass.............

anybody use these renegade fuels .... looks like they are out of Owensboro, KY , they sent me this in an email

Nick,

If you are using a little shot i would go with our 114 or our 116 product. IF you are using a big shot I would say our 118 would be a safe bet it depends on how much you are using.

Let me know if you have any questions at all.

JP



Regards,

Josh Pitts
R&D / Moto Fuels Director
Valor Oil LLC
P.O. Box 1914
Owensboro, KY 42302
Ph# 270-842-0361
Fx# 270-782-7736

whatbumper wrote:

richter69 wrote:A 5.60 pass costs me $12.72 a run, a 70 pass runs $4.23..............

How many runs do you get out of tires?

Cant say i have ever wore a set out..............

IF YOUR GONNA FACTOR IN EVERYTHING........gdamn capslock lol............then its a considerable more amount per run. I never looked at it from a money spent standpoint, I build as much as I can afford (without using credit) and go to races I can compete.......approx 2 per month. Both tracks are within an hour, so fuel cost there and back is reasonable.

I just think a guy starts pinching pennies either he has a program out of his league or the wrong hobby altogether. I've never missed a race because I cant afford to go, weather yes.

Honestly there is no reason Nick cant run those number n/a, given the converter and gear etc are suited for the setup.

nick
i sell VP fuel and i would stick to C16 or NO2 for the juice. N/A C12 is more then enough. Richter69 hit it on the head, who adds this sh^& up. do it with cash or don't do it. faster you go the more cash. do the 30% factor when discussing parts with the wife $1200 carb is only $400. and then the cost of racing isn't so bad.
good day to all
stosh

bruno wrote:anybody use these renegade fuels .... looks like they are out of Owensboro, KY , they sent me this in an email

Nick,

If you are using a little shot i would go with our 114 or our 116 product. IF you are using a big shot I would say our 118 would be a safe bet it depends on how much you are using.

Let me know if you have any questions at all.

JP


Regards,

Josh Pitts
R&D / Moto Fuels Director
Valor Oil LLC
P.O. Box 1914
Owensboro, KY 42302
Ph# 270-842-0361
Fx# 270-782-7736

i switched to this fuel from c16 the tune ups stayed the same a little yellow color due to the orange color of the 118 nos fuel it is great i sold one barrel to another 10.5 racer running 4.90 two kits the same for him no regrets and for the price differance i am staying with them i know everybody likes vp and qualitly and bla bla blah but this is really good fuel Nick give Renegade a try for the amount you will save go with the 118 nos fuel right from the get go you will not be dissapointed.

how much are you paying per gallon on the 118 nos fuel ?

i paid 540.00 for a drum shipped vs the 770 i was paing for c16

Fact is either you can afford to race or you can't...


Randy