Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

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Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  schmitty on February 27th 2011, 6:47 pm

Any good words of advice on putting the 4 link in the truck? I am getting a partial kit with axle brackets, and tubes. The frame brackets are being made special for a truck application. I have never done anything like this before, and would like some advice from those that have as far as do's and do not's. Cool After it is in, I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions on how to properly adjust it too.

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Re: Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 1st 2011, 4:11 am

A simple trick for getting all the rod-end holes of the 4 housing brackets (and 4 chassis brackets) as close to being in line as possible before welding is to assemble the brackets & rod-ends with long all-thread rods & nuts (in place of the bolts & nuts).

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Post  schmitty on March 1st 2011, 9:40 am

Very Happy Thanks Dave. I was wondering if there wasn't a trick to doing that, and that will be simple and easy to do. I think I have quite a few sticks of 1/2" all thread laying around. Should have the stuff here by next week and get started on it then. Cool

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Post  KY JELLY on March 1st 2011, 11:38 am

Verify your housing is in square now and make several reference points (punch marks etc ) to measure to after the 4 link is tacked in place.

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Post  schmitty on March 1st 2011, 5:59 pm

I have a brace to weld on the back of the housing. Is there anything special to welding these on, or just take the time and small distances on the welds at a time? Cool

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Re: Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 2nd 2011, 6:53 am

If you have access to a housing bearing C/L alignment bar, it would be smart to find out just how straight the housing & tubes might/might not be as it sits now before doing any welding.

When installing a back-brace I preload the housing axle tubes forward a slight amount on a rigid housing jig table to offset the amount the housing tubes will pull backward from the back-brace welding heat.

Without a dedicated jig table you can do something similar (if you're careful) and preload the housing tubes forward by clamping/tacking the housing to a decent sized "I" or "H" beam with a few spacers wedged in the right places.

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Post  schmitty on March 2nd 2011, 9:43 am

How much "forward" bend do I need. I can make a jig. Is 1/4" too much?

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Re: Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 3rd 2011, 3:04 am

schmitty wrote:How much "forward" bend do I need..........


It kinda depends on the housing specs & application (how straight the housing is to begin with, the housing width, the axle tube OD & wall thickness, box tube vs round tube back-brace, etc, etc, etc). But each tube might end up being preloaded forward from the "perfect" axle bearing/center section bearing centerline (alignment bar C/L) anywhere between 1/16" to 3/16" from "perfect" center if the housing is dead-nuts C/L straight to begin with. If your starting with a bent/bowed housing, the amount of foward preload could end up being a lot more/less depending on how tweaked the housing tubes are to begin with.

So as an example lets say you have decided you want to preload each housing axle tube/housing end 1/8" forward from "perfect" center to offset the back-brace weld pull. But the alignment bar shows your used housing isn't 100% perfectly straight to begin with & the axle tubes/housing ends are (for whatever reason) actually pulled/bowed backward a given amount. In this situation you would have to pull the tubes forward the amount they were bowed backward plus the additional 1/8" before welding the back-brace on.

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Post  schmitty on March 3rd 2011, 11:58 am

Is there some way to make a housing C/L bar? I don't think there is one anywhere around here that I'm aware of. I can make just about anything with the tools I have at my disposal. Lathe, mill, etc. Do you put in the center bar, and then measure from the face of the housing?

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Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 3rd 2011, 5:15 pm

schmitty wrote:Is there some way to make a housing C/L bar?..........


Here's what my ancient home made bearing/housing end C/L alignment bar & housing welding jig table looks like.

http://www.429-460.com/t8369p15-9-inch-tech-questions#109859

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Post  schmitty on March 4th 2011, 12:25 am

From the angle that pic was taken, I can't tell if that is a solid shaft. What size is it? I can't thank you enough for all of this help Dave. Cool

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Re: Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 4th 2011, 10:22 am

I use both a piece of solid bar stock & a piece of cm tubing as the center bar, in that pic it's the cm tubing. The solid bar only gets used for the actual final tack & finish welding of the housing ends. The cm tubing is used during all the other repetitive initial setup/fit up "grunt" work on the housing so there is less chance of scratching/gouging/screwing up the good solid bar.

Only reason I do it this way is it's a lot easier/cheaper for me to replace a piece of cm tubing if I should fuuk up & accidentally dance a disk grinder across the surface of the center bar while working on a housing.

[edit] The bar is currently 1-1/2" OD. I have been thinking about increasing the bar OD to 1-3/4" to work with Strange full floater spindles so I won't have to mess with making some 1-3/4 to 1-1/2 adapters for the old 1-1/2 bar........but I'm lazy & havent taken the time to look for any bigger bar stock. Razz Laughing

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Post  Mike R on March 4th 2011, 8:56 pm

Schmitty, contact this guy Addicted2blnalky@aol.com he makes and sells housing narrowing jigs. They look like they are well made and the price is affordable. I'm going to get one myself as soon as my taxes come back. Here's a limk to his ebay add http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-9-GM-10-12-BOLT-REAR-END-NARROWING-JIG-/220747299803?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3365907bdb. I figure doing my own housing and a couple for friends and it's paid for.

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Post  schmitty on March 5th 2011, 12:05 am

No need to narrow my housing, actually full width is best for the mud tracks I run. I am thinking about building one like Dave has there, I have most of the parts to do it and can make the rest. I don't know if there would be much demand for doing more in my area, but I would be set up if it was needed. Cool

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Re: Getting ready to put a 4 link in the truck advice needed

Post  DILLIGASDAVE on March 5th 2011, 2:13 am

Mike R wrote:Schmitty, contact this guy Addicted2blnalky@aol.com he makes and sells housing narrowing jigs. They look like they are well made and the price is affordable. I'm going to get one myself as soon as my taxes come back. Here's a limk to his ebay add http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-9-GM-10-12-BOLT-REAR-END-NARROWING-JIG-/220747299803?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3365907bdb. I figure doing my own housing and a couple for friends and it's paid for.


I wonder why their alignment bar is only 1-1/4" OD? Sounds kinda small too me. But maybe it has to be that small to be "universal" & work on other housings like the chebby 10/12 bolt C-clip crap.

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